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Ok flyboys, what`s the story? No politics that would upset the Site Team.
B737-800 crash in Iran
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I have more questions than answers for now.
The size of the debris field will be an early clue. The debris field will be larger if the plane came apart at altitude. An intact plane that size will leave a smaller debris field in an impact zone. If a weapon is indicated, was it deployed from inside or outside the plane? The crash zone appears to be almost directly downrange from the runway.
What communications were terminated when? Another area for some early clues. I haven't seen reports of a distress call.
It will be difficult to separate the politics for a while. Airlines are avoiding the area for now. We may never know who prepped the plane for flight and who the passengers were.
Reportedly the first fatal accident for the Ukraine airline, founded in the early 1990s.
The size of the debris field will be an early clue. The debris field will be larger if the plane came apart at altitude. An intact plane that size will leave a smaller debris field in an impact zone. If a weapon is indicated, was it deployed from inside or outside the plane? The crash zone appears to be almost directly downrange from the runway.
What communications were terminated when? Another area for some early clues. I haven't seen reports of a distress call.
It will be difficult to separate the politics for a while. Airlines are avoiding the area for now. We may never know who prepped the plane for flight and who the passengers were.
Reportedly the first fatal accident for the Ukraine airline, founded in the early 1990s.
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Greetings,
Mr. m. Yup. Everybody's nuts except you and me and I'm not too sure about you...
Mr. m. Yup. Everybody's nuts except you and me and I'm not too sure about you...
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Greetings,
I think it's way too early to speculate on any causes. The ONLY thing we know for sure is the plane crashed with loss of all aboard. I have a somewhat remote, personal involvement with this tragedy.
I think it's way too early to speculate on any causes. The ONLY thing we know for sure is the plane crashed with loss of all aboard. I have a somewhat remote, personal involvement with this tragedy.
It's hard not to speculate. One comment I read mentioned a perfect headline-trifecta: Iran, Ukraine and Boeing.
I've only heard one meaningful clue so far: Communication stopped abruptly. No indication of any glide time (like if it had been simple engine failure) or declaration of emergency by the crew. Smarter people than I can interpret what that might mean, but apparently even the airline has been walking back their initial acceptance of the engine failure theory.
I've only heard one meaningful clue so far: Communication stopped abruptly. No indication of any glide time (like if it had been simple engine failure) or declaration of emergency by the crew. Smarter people than I can interpret what that might mean, but apparently even the airline has been walking back their initial acceptance of the engine failure theory.
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My gut feel is that it was brought down by missile or bomb. But I have nothing to back that up.
If it was brought down by a trigger happy missile operator, we may never know as that would embarrass the Iranians. They will do what ever to keep it hidden.
If it was brought down by a trigger happy missile operator, we may never know as that would embarrass the Iranians. They will do what ever to keep it hidden.
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Don't know if it's telling or not, Iran refused to turn over the black boxes to anyone (Boeing or NTSB). Wondering if they have the ability to analysis its data?
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If it was a missile, they already know what took it down and then no need to read the boxes.
The Iranians are pretty tech savvy, I'm sure they can figure it out.
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I do find it interesting that 138 people onboard were bound for Canada.
All of the Persians that I work with are fairly vocal that they are no fan of their government(s) that they left behind.
I'm sure that there will be friends or families of my coworkers affected.
Tredeau won't be pressing to find any results that might make things uncomfortable with him or his UN buddies; or give credit to Trump. As in the immortal words of Nigel Tufnel to "best leave it... unsolved."
I have a feeling there will be a big shrug of indifference all around on this one. Remeniscent of Air India Flight 182, if remeniscent is the right word, because no one actually remembers it.
All of the Persians that I work with are fairly vocal that they are no fan of their government(s) that they left behind.
I'm sure that there will be friends or families of my coworkers affected.
Tredeau won't be pressing to find any results that might make things uncomfortable with him or his UN buddies; or give credit to Trump. As in the immortal words of Nigel Tufnel to "best leave it... unsolved."
I have a feeling there will be a big shrug of indifference all around on this one. Remeniscent of Air India Flight 182, if remeniscent is the right word, because no one actually remembers it.
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Appears to be an "own goal."
Sheeesh!
If what is emerging now, that a Ukraine plane may have been taken down by an Iranian missile, how is that even remotely close to an own goal?
2 countries.
Iran........2,000 miles.......Ukraine.
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Mr. B. I fully concur.
Mr. B. I fully concur.
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Objective information? Yeah. We will all wait for that.
50 years maybe?
50 years maybe?
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Canadian PM is saying their info is an Iranian missile, by mistake, is the cause. That has been echoed elsewhere. Is it true,I don`t know,but it`s horribly sad. Canada lost ?63 citizens.
It`s a sad reminder of MH17,deliberately(perhaps misidentified)brought down by a missile over Ukraine with 100% loss of life.
It`s a sad reminder of MH17,deliberately(perhaps misidentified)brought down by a missile over Ukraine with 100% loss of life.
To me, a "mistake" is worse than a deliberate act.
On the other hand it's easy to say "ooops" after the fact.
The plane just took off from a big city international airport. It was at 8000 ft altitude so likely not more than 10 miles down range. No way it was accidentally mistaken for a lurking spy plane. Plus neither Canada nor Ukraine are the great white devils.
Someone was feeling emotional and had an itchy trigger finger that morning. I bet that 6 months from now there are a couple of military dudes swinging from the end of a backhoe in Tehran.
Dracos will be made be proud!
Someone was feeling emotional and had an itchy trigger finger that morning. I bet that 6 months from now there are a couple of military dudes swinging from the end of a backhoe in Tehran.
Dracos will be made be proud!
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Greetings,
Mr. m. I defer to your knowledge of the area and the culture. What you suppose may well be the case and it seems possible that among the insane, one happened to have death at his/her fingertips. How does one deal with the ongoing, (and I hesitate to use the word again but there's no better) complete insanity?
Mr. m. I defer to your knowledge of the area and the culture. What you suppose may well be the case and it seems possible that among the insane, one happened to have death at his/her fingertips. How does one deal with the ongoing, (and I hesitate to use the word again but there's no better) complete insanity?
IMO, the Iranians saved face by standing up to the “imperialists” when they attacked our troops in Iraq, targeting unimportant structures and giving us forewarning through backchannels. Now it is time to de-escalate which appears to be in progress.
I thinks things could have really gotten out of hand if they had attacked the UAE though. The Emirates and their close allies (Saudis) don’t have the self-control that America has. Plus those two are really afraid of the Persians.
I thinks things could have really gotten out of hand if they had attacked the UAE though. The Emirates and their close allies (Saudis) don’t have the self-control that America has. Plus those two are really afraid of the Persians.
Well, it's not like the US didn't accidentally shoot an Iranian airliner down by mistake one time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
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After the Stark suffered 40 dead and 30 wounded from an Exocet attack the month before, the Vincennes helo was taking fire, and in the midst of Vincennes' running gunfight with Iranian gunboats. Not equivalent circumstances.
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Just my humble opinion, but any attack on innocent civilians in a commercial airliner is heinous and cowardly at best! An action like that is hard to justify in any way, shape, or form.
In this case, I am looking forward to the explanation as to how a commercial jet is "accidentally shot down" very near to an active airport????? Back to the first paragraph.
We live in crazy, scary times.
In this case, I am looking forward to the explanation as to how a commercial jet is "accidentally shot down" very near to an active airport????? Back to the first paragraph.
We live in crazy, scary times.
