Engine starter options

[DLETF]

The starter on my 2000 Cummins 6BT 5.9L-M engine has stopped working. Turning the ignition key to the "ON" position energizes the instrument lights and gages. Pushing the "START" button results in metallic clicks but no engine starting. Am I correct to assume that the ignition switch, the relay switch and the starter solenoid switch are working properly and that the fault is with the starter itself? The start battery was replaced 9 months ago with a new Lifeline 4D AGM 12 VDC battery. The voltmeter reads 13.2 before pushing the "START" button. A multimeter test confirms that the starter is receiving power.
If the starter is the problem, it seems to me that I have 3 options to obtaining a working starter:
1. Remove the starter, send it to a starter shop for repair and then re-install it.
2. Remove the starter, purchase a new one and install it.
3. Remove the starter, purchase a reconditioned starter and install it.
The OEM starter was manufactured by Delco Remy. Cummins offers two starter options:
1. A new Delco Remy starter listed at $474
2. A Denso reconditioned starter listed at $366
I do not have a cost estimate for sending the current starter to a starter shop.
The opinions of the TF community would be appreciated.

 

[FF]

What is the voltage at the starter when the start button is pushed?

The solenoid can clunk but not pull the contacts close enough to give good voltage to the unit.

What is the result of a jumper to power the starter?

 

[swampu]

Take starter off but leave wires connected and see if it works properly, at least you will know if it’s trying to work

 

[O C Diver]

Take it to a reputable shop that repairs starters and alternators. Tell them you think you have a solenoid contact problem and let them troubleshoot it. Had the same issue about 30 years ago with a 4BT. One shop wanted to sell me a rebuilt starter. The next shop diagnosed it as a bad solenoid and replaced it while I waited.

Ted

 

[Cigatoo]

Simple first. Have someone turn the key to start while you tap the starter with a small hammer. Maybe a dead spot. If it starts with a tap you have a starter issue.
Also check battery connections at all points. Make sure they are clean and tight.

 

[jleonard]

Take starter off but leave wires connected and see if it works properly, at least you will know if it’s trying to work

This or try jumping it directly from the battery with jumper cables.

 

[bayview]

the starter is the least likely thing to be bad unless it was dunked in water. Battery, battery terminals are first. The open circuit voltage of the battery is irrelevant as a bad cell or bad connection can limit current.
next is all connections in the system and the solenoids including ground.
Can you move the engine over by hand?

 

[Rufus]

the starter is the least likely thing to be bad unless it was dunked in water. Battery, battery terminals are first. The open circuit voltage of the battery is irrelevant as a bad cell or bad connection can limit current.

Yes, you could check the battery integrity/capability with a load meter...virtually free at Harbor Freight. Careful...they get hot.

 

[High Wire]

Another use for a clamp-on DC ammeter. Use in conjunction with a DVM measuring voltage at the starter motor terminal.

 

[Panacea123]

Test for voltage drop

Test for a voltage drop
1. Positive lead of volt meter on main power cable at starter at rest should be battery voltage. If it drops significantly (3 volts or so when trying to start) chances are it’s the starter itself. Unless you have a bad connection.
2. Positive lead of volt meter on main power cable to starter, neg lead on lead to starter itself ( short lead to internal parts of starter). If more than .3 (three tenths) of a volt , solenoid is bad.
Read up on voltage drop testing, it’s pretty basic once you understand it.
Work down the circuit step by step, you’ll find the bad spot.
PM me with questions if you wish. We can talk on the phone.

 

[Lepke]

Here's a $95 starter on ebay and there are others: https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Starte...h=item1a51bbbee3:g:GmkAAOSwhztbFrs6:rk:8:pf:0

 

[swampu]

Here's a $95 starter on ebay and there are others: https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Starte...h=item1a51bbbee3:g:GmkAAOSwhztbFrs6:rk:8:pf:0

Do not go this route, I have never been so mad as when I brought a starter in to be repaired and when I picked it up it turned into a Made in China piece of crap and they mailed my starter off as a core. Nothing replaces a OEM starter like an OEM starter. I made that shop find another starter and rebuild it (my original starter just had a grounding problem)

 

[bayview]

One and done. No replies.

He seems to have started another thread about botched up bolts while going ahead and removing the starter.

 

[Lepke]

Do not go this route, I have never been so mad as when I brought a starter in to be repaired and when I picked it up it turned into a Made in China piece of crap and they mailed my starter off as a core. Nothing replaces a OEM starter like an OEM starter. I made that shop find another starter and rebuild it (my original starter just had a grounding problem)

I don't want to pop your balloon, but most starters are made in China. All US starter manufacturers I know of switched their production to China many years ago. Few engine makers produce accessories like starters. They are made by a company that specializes. Only GM and Ford (in the old days) made their own starters and both spun off Delco and whatever Ford's was called, many years ago.

I've been using "Chinese" starters and alternators for about 20 years and they seem to last just as long as "oem" starters, for less than half the price.
Sometimes they have the same casting numbers.

 

[swampu]

Man I guess if you don’t know what I’m talking about I hope you never find out the hard way like I did. Next time your working with an oem starter before you send it in for a core look at the two side by side, especially on older engines. There is a huge difference

 

[jleonard]

Do not go this route, I have never been so mad as when I brought a starter in to be repaired and when I picked it up it turned into a Made in China piece of crap and they mailed my starter off as a core. Nothing replaces a OEM starter like an OEM starter. I made that shop find another starter and rebuild it (my original starter just had a grounding problem)

I agree 100%. Been burned once, not a second time.

 

[Wayne]

Engine Starter Options

Shortly after purchasing the Celestial - 1987 Albin 43SDtr - that had twin Cummins 6BT5.9M engines, one starter started to drag. I took it to an alternator/starter repair shop in Panama City, FL. Fixed in less than a week - bad bearing. During a discussion at the counter, the supervisor made the comment that they could fix almost any starter as long as the housing, armature and brush holders had not been damaged. Most unrepairable alternators had bent armature shafts from being dropped or the brush holders were damaged by excessive heat and the damaged parts were not available any more. Some simply were not economical to repair as replacements were available. So, about a year ago, I took the motor from a Maxwell windlass to them - the motor was the same as the starter motor found in an English Ford Anglia from the 50-60's(?). The brush holder had simply disintegrated into dust and there was, of course, no replacements available. I bought and installed a used windlass and a month or so later, the Celestial was lost in Hurricane Michael.

 

[greatpapabear]

Something often overlooked is the ignition switch itself. Over the years, these switches can become quite frail (like me!). Try changing or swapping it.

And as above, check every major earthing point on the engine, making sure they are bright, clean and well made.

 

[bayview]

What happened to the OP???

 

[DLETF]

Engine starter options update

The original starter has been replaced with a reman starter purchased from the local NAPA Auto Parts store. The starter replacement has been delayed because of inept mechanics, unusually heavy snowfall for our area and because I seem to have forgotten a lesson I should have learned from my Dad. We have received over 22 inches of snow is the past 3 weeks and snow is falling again as I write. We live less than 5 miles from saltwater at 180 feet above sea level.
Two diesel mechanics attempted to remove the third starter bolt but only managed to strip the bolt head. The third bolt is tucked up behind the starter next to the engine block and cannot be visualized even with a mirror. I dismissed the mechanics and bought a fiberoptic video camera from a local auto parts store. I was able to remove the stripped bolt using the video camera and an extractor socket. I should have recalled my Dad's admonition about; "If your want it done right, do it yourself." Thanks Dad.
I appreciate the comments and advice from the TF members.

 

[High Wire]

So all is good? If so, congratulations!!!

 

[FF]

"The original starter has been replaced with a reman starter purchased from the local NAPA Auto Parts store."

Was the NAPA rebuilt defective, worn out, sunk sometime ?

How and Why did it die?

 

[CMS]

That original starter is a Nikko, a decent OE product. The other option, and the preferred option, would be a Delco Remy. You'll want to avoid the Chinese knock offs at all cost.

Generally speaking, unless you ask for a Delco at NAPA, you're getting a Chinese made knock off or a reman. With the reman you really have no way of knowing the quality and the reman industry is "self regulating" which means quality all over the map.

Buying from Cummins means a very, very expensive re-badged Delco, Nikko or other version of that starter. If I recall correctly we can normally sell the fully upgraded brand new, not reman, Delco for around $365.00. The Nikko (standard option) is even less but is not the same quality starter the Delco is.


The Delco is our preferred starter for that motor.