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OK, this is actually just one question, expressed in a REALLY long-winded way. Mea Culpa and apologies.


I'm looking ahead to some unknown point in the future when I'd like to try living aboard a boat. I'm thinking that this will probably be more than a year from now but less than ten. Maybe 3-5 years from now is a good guess, but that's all it is.


So I'm thinking, if I'm going to live aboard a boat, first I need to figure out what's "liveable".

Here is what I know...

I'll be single-handing. It's just me and the dog, and I don't trust her to man the wheel while I try to tie up. I already know this has some implications in terms of LOA, Beam, visibility, control layout, access, etc.
BUT... for the moment I'm more interested in just the LIVING aspect of it.

If I can use Nordic Tug as an example, I have had more than one person point me at a model 34.

But then I think...
Is that big enough?

Maybe a Model 39 or 42 might be a better choice?
Is a 49 too big? What makes a boat too big?
If I'm looking for a boat that is big enough to feel comfortable while I'm inside it, at what point does adding more size start to have diminishing returns?

As in, it's getting bigger but it's not adding all that much to the feeling of spaciousness but the disadvantages are mounting quickly.


I know that I want to have good access to the engine in terms of an ability to get to everything without being a contortionist and the smaller the boat is the worse the access gets.

On the flip side, the bigger the boat gets the more I spend on everything from fuel to docking fees, not to mention limiting the places the boat itself can go due to draft and clearance; so I don't want to go TOO big.

I know I want a comfortable head, both for the sittin' & readin' part and for taking a shower; but of course... I'm not going to get anything like a land based bathroom without moving into Yacht territory and barring a lucky lottery ticket; that ain't happening.

Docking other associated fees are obviously impacted by size. I'm an IT contractor and I like the idea of having the ability to look for work anywhere from Anchorage to Duluth when any given contract is up. So there is a practical upper limit for size, but I don't know what that is.





OK, so... here's the multifaceted question...



Realizing that this is ultimately something I will have to decide for myself, I figure there must be a general range of boat size that I should be looking in.

On the low end, when do I start running into constraints like not having enough elbow room, bathrooms being too small, engine(s) being hard to get to, etc?


On the high end, at what size would I start running into rapidly escalating costs, diminished access to docking facilities, problems with skinny water, etc...?


Without looking at a single boat I am guessing that I would find a boat in the low 30's too confining and one in the 70+ range to be absurd. I have a sneaking suspicion that 40-something would be right, but I have nothing to base that on besides a gut feeling.



What I'm really looking for here is the voice of experience...
Mistakes even.


Did you ever find yourself in too small a boat? What size was it and what made it too small?


Same question on the other side of the coin...


Have you ever found yourself in too big a boat and what was it that made it too big? At what point did the disadvantages start adding up a lot faster than the benefits?


OK, if I keep talking I'll be in deceased equine abuse territory, so I think I'll just hit submit and see what y'all have to say.

And thanks in advance for any thoughts on the subject, no matter how small.
 
Is a 49 too big? What makes a boat too big?

When you can not safely move the boat alone.There are 25 ft boats that stink and 50 ft that are a piece of cake.
Basically you need to be able to step from the controls to a low enough deck that you can get a line from a midship cleat to the cock.

40 ish is plenty big to live aboard ,expense and complexity will depend on your location.
Size does NOT equate to a comfortable , pleasant to live in interior.
Good ventilation , good seating , easy to use -cook clean shower- good lighting and easy to move about is a start.

Air cond 24/7 or heat in the north for 4-5 months may need to be added to your purchase.

Expensive IF you can install it , REALLY expensive if a boat yard does it.

Go look at , go aboard boats from 35 to 50 and you will soon decide how much volume is just a waste of space.
 
You might want to step back and think about what you want/need on a boat and how you are going to use it. Decisions about whether you need a separate "office" on board for your work, size of galley and refrigeration, washing machines and other items will influence your final decisions. Since you are single handing you may want a boat controlled from a pilot house and not a flying bridge. These types of decisions will affect your decision on the size of the boat.

In your situation where you are unsure of what works best for you you may want to avoid any boat that will require you to make substantial additions / changes / repairs. These seldom pay off financially.

You may find yourself buying a boat and getting experience, determining what you really want and then buying a second boat.

Take a close look at the Nordic / American Tugs in the 34-40ft range and see if they can meet your needs. These boats, among others, meet many of the needs of a single hander, are not expensive to maintain, and might provide the space you need.

Marty
 

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Seahorse

Now that's an interesting vessel! And it floats!!! It is a cat tied up to a trimaran?

Mr. Ecsher.
My recommendation at this stage is that you visit as many boat shows and trawler fests as possible. Speak with the people with boats. Visit as many marinas as possible and make friends. Visit boats as you were a potential buyer and get inside of them, sit down. pretend you're at the wheel and run to the bow/stern and see if you're fit to manage that boat on your own. As FF said, size is irrelevant
In my home town there's a guy who just made his 4th turn around the Globe solo, this time is a 65' 3 mast sailboat. He's 64 y.o.

So, as you can see, he proved that for him 65' is ok!

Portuguese
 
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MC Escher,

If you'll pardon the expression, "you and I are in the same boat"...I posted a similar question and received many excellent insights. I have attached a link to the thread below...the thread did sort of "drift" off into a discussion of docking techniques (which was enlightening as well) :thumb:

The main "thrust" of the advice was do your research, and based on your life style requirements, comfort threshold, etc. find the smallest boat which will meet those needs, being it is a 32 footer or a 50 footer. One size does not fit all. Along with the "comfort/needs equation you need to weight the fact that bigger means more work, more expense etc. You mentioned single handing, so the layout of the boat is important as well, i.e. access to the deck from the helm etc. As I said input from the more experienced members can be found in the attached thread which discusses these points in greater detail...

http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s3/biggest-boat-single-handing-11766.html
 
I would first talk/walk the local marinas and yards to see what marinas allow live a boards, what slips are available, and the wait time, and yards to see what is the biggest boat they can handle/lift. The marina and yard will probable decide the max size and weight. Then decide the layout and design the meets your over all needs/wants, which will eliminate a large % of boats you will be looking at. Then decide the other major factors like, single vs. twin, heating and/or AC, fuel/water/sanitation tanks, how many bedroom/bathroom, galley up or down, creature comforts. Electronics and toys should be last on your list as they can be easily added/chnaged.

My biggest advise is to make sure you bring a female along with you as they look/view boats/things differently than a male. So you might buy the greatest male cave, but a female may say no way. Also looking at boats is a great way to meet and date females. If you already have a SO make sure you let her take the lead and you follow her at first to see what her likes/dislikes. If you do not then at least tie one hand behind your back, and restrict your let movement to 2 ft. If you can not get on/off the boat then don’t expect females and children to!

I let my wife take the lead ans she bought me the Eagle! So you might be surprised with what you end up with.:flowers::socool:
 
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I think that you have to look, look and look some more to find out what suits you.

A very good live aboard cruiser friend of mine has a 45' CHB. After he removed the dinning table and bench seat, the main salon is huge. Three people can sit around and BS in club chairs and another 2-3 can fit in with folding chairs. But it feels like an intimate living room, and not so much of a boat.

But he has very little open cockpit seating area except for the flybridge up top. A fly bridge would be useful for hanging out, if you had a full bimini covering the helm and the seating area behind it.

Sundeck trawlers seem to give the best outdoor seating area with their big aft cockpit.

My full time cruising boat was a 35' sailing catamaran. It had decent room down below but not a wide open feeling like the CHB. But I spent most of my time in the cockpit. It was wide (hey it was a cat) and comfortable. It was protected by a dodger and integrated bimini that provided protection from sun and rain. And I just liked spending time outside where I could take in the view. That kind of environment is available on Europa style trawlers. And also consider the sundeck style referenced above.

So, like they say, whatever floats your boat. Only you can decide.

David
 
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Howdy!... err "Ahoy"!! Welcome aboard TF... :thumb:

I recommend that you "Get Your Feet Wet"... ASAP... with a fairly inexpensive boat (actually, soon as you know a bit more and feel at least somewhat ready to buy). Try out the lifestyle! You sound as though you'll love it!! Then, in a few years when you know more about boating and are really ready to live aboard... you may want to sell your first (inexpensive) boat... and purchase the boat that can truly suit your needs for years to come.

I think most of the important items to your questions have been tended to via experienced boaters' posts on this thread. One you asked/mentioned is usually glossed over and not too well discussed.

I.e. engine room/compartment access and its “working area” head and elbow room. Very important topic to me, 61 yrs, 6’ 1”, 245 +/- lb lifelong weight lifter... who appreciates “room” to function and who really enjoys personally keeping all my mechanical items in top shape! J):

1. No matter the size of boat... its engine compartment/room layouts can either be a Bitch – or – a Joy to function in.

2. No matter the type or number of engines / fuel tank proximities / gen-set area... as well as other under deck paraphernalia – Some boats are sweet, others are a prune!

3. Very important (to me) is being able to often (if not always) stand up straight as well as to have ample light and the engines/tanks etc being in positions so that all (at very least nearly all) portions are relatively easily attainable – at the drop of a hat!

There are a myriad of reputable builders’ “classic” (in other word “well aged”) boats “floating around” on the pleasure craft “for sale” marine market. Start looking carefully by actually visiting aboard boats that are for sale and start getting the “feel of the deal”. Personally, for live aboard as well as cruising comfort I recommend tri cabin boats in the size range you seem to fit, i.e. 34’ to 48’. Tollycraft, Hatteras, Chris Craft, Bertram, Sea Ray, Bayliner, Carver are a few makes you might like to look into/own. Used boat market is still pretty much a buyer’s market, deals can be made! Condition of an older boat is pretty much dependent on the care given by the previous owner(s) as much or more than the good build-out from its manufacturer (although junk is junk – no matter how well taken care of).

I also recommend you begin to REALLY deeply search into all the several facets of Yachtworld’s many thousands of ads. The descriptions and photos/videos as well as the equipment lists will give you a virtual reality tour into boat types and their accommodations. Important point – Be very careful of any wood on any boat, and, be sure to have a reputable marine surveyor and marine engine mechanic fully check out any boat before you purchase.

Your boat-learning curve is currently pointing straight up. I believe that if you attack your “need to learn” with ample gusto that within a year or two your learning curve will begin to settle toward a less steep angle that eventually reaches a more standard 5 to 10 degree up-curve... then, just like all boaters need to (should) do – Ya simply keep on learnen mo bout boats! :D

Happy Boating Daze! - Art :speed boat:
 
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...a few considerations...

Space is the number one consideration for most live aboards. That said, do you want to live inside the boat, or is outside deck space important to you. If it's the latter, you need to decide if a trunk cabin, a tug, or a sedan/Europa really cut it in that regard. A sundeck gets you the best compromise of inside and outside space, but will increase stairs and ladders.

Where will you be boating? If it's the Pacific Northwest, you'll be living inside the boat much of the time. If you're spending summers on the Great lakes and heading south for the winter, then you will treasure that outside deck space.

Can you see out the side windows when you're sitting in the main salon? Many boats have side windows that are positioned so high you have to stand to see outside. Looking at the four walls, let alone the wall of fiberglass parked next to you gets tiresome if you're stuck inside a lot of the time.

Can you and your significant other find private space inside the boat....and I'm not talkin' about one sitting in the salon and the other in the head. Is there space for one to watch a movie and the other read a book?

As for slip size...40-50's are fairly common on the Great Lakes. Bigger not so much.

We live aboard a 44 sundeck (40' plus 4' cockpit)...during the summer. Wouldn't want anything smaller. The cockpit is important for launching the dink, floating docks, line handling, and dog access.
 
My attention span won't let me read every last word of every post, but...


  1. make a long list of what you think you want on an excel spreadsheet.
  2. Then give each item a 1,2, or 3 with 3 being the most-preferred and 1 being "meh".
  3. Now go visit marina after marina and in-water boat shows and trawlerfests.
  4. Be bold, accost owners you see with the question "how do you like your boat?" Many cases you'll get a tour.
  5. Then revisit your list.
  6. Repeat until boat purchase.
 
Thanks y'all...

I appreciate all the replies, as well as the private messages.

Right now I'm at the asking questions stage and I can easily spend a year here.

I did notice how often people mentioned boats in the 45 foot range, so I've got to figure that would be a good place to start "trying them on".
 
What is your idea of camping?

A. A tarp, a sawed off toothbrush, and eating berries you collect.
B. A tent, a backpack full of freeze dried food.
C. A car, a 3 room tent and a cooler.
D. A camper van and a 12v TV set, and fridge.
E. Diesel pusher RV, matching paint job car behind, and a yappy dog.
F. Banff Springs Hotel

Same question goes for boating. How it is defined depends more on the person than the equipment.
 
to me...living aboard is a two part thought process...

The first is pretty easy...how much space can you live in and will anyone else be using it....I wound up with a good size dog in addition to a girlfriend...wish I had 2 more feet of boat just for the dog. Along with the space you require is how many hotel creature comforts do you want and how pretty does it have to be. As I said...that's the easy part.

Now for the tough one...if you cruise it and all you ever do is read a book a bit, walk around town and row your dingy...not much extra boat is necessary over part one.

But if you like to or think you will bicycle, fish, SCUBA, do major repairs requiring an onboard workshop, carry lot's of memorabilia, etc...etc...then adding 2 feet here and there for all your interests/hobbies will be necessary to store that stuff.

Those that have never lived aboard really often forget all the little things that they have at HOME that they would never live without...but will tell new boat buyers..."oh...go the smallest you think you can live with"...yet the reality is...often what you really want/need is gonna be cutoff by your budget anyhow...so the "other" expression is buy as big as you can afford to get/run...but remember that's ONLY for liveaboards and almost full timers as the rest never would really get their money's worth out of the bigger boat.

I've lived aboard 3 boats...30' sail in Ft Lauderdale - 3 years (much younger), 37 Sportfish in Annapolis/NJ for 3 years...and now my 40 Albin going on 3 years.
 
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to me...living aboard is a two part thought process...

The first is pretty easy...how much space can you live in and will anyone else be using it....I wound up with a good size dog in addition to a girlfriend...wish I had 2 more feet of boat just for the dog. Along with the space you require is how many hotel creature comforts do you want and how pretty does it have to be. As I said...that's the easy part.

Now for the tough one...if you cruise it and all you ever do is read a book a bit, walk around town and row your dingy...not much extra boat is necessary over part one.

But if you like to or think you will bicycle, fish, SCUBA, do major repairs requiring an onboard workshop, carry lot's of memorabilia, etc...etc...then adding 2 feet here and there for all your interests/hobbies will be necessary to store that stuff.

Those that have never lived aboard really often forget all the little things that they have at HOME that they would never live without...but will tell new boat buyers..."oh...go the smallest you think you can live with"...yet the reality is...often what you really want/need is gonna be cutoff by your budget anyhow...so the "other" expression is buy as big as you can afford to get/run...but remember that's ONLY for liveaboards and almost full timers as the rest never would really get their money's worth out of the bigger boat.

I've lived aboard 3 boats...30' sail in Ft Lauderdale - 3 years (much younger), 37 Sportfish in Annapolis/NJ for 3 years...and now my 40 Albin going on 3 years.
Click to expand...

Good post with lots o' reality included. So, to assist the decisions of a new to boating, eventual wannabe live aboard... Did you then and do you still love it!?!?

Inquiring minds wana kno! :popcorn:
 
Have always loved living aboard and never really been able to afford both a big boat and a place ashore....so when my lifestyle has allowed it...I have lived aboard.

While I hate the ties of having any dirt dwelling items.... many times having storage , a place to work/do repairs and a place to go in emergencies/large scale boat work sure would be nice. Then once on the road cruising...that place and things stored just are something that may require your attention or money and just become a distraction.

So the ideal liveaboard has so much storage space you never fill it up, has staterooms at either end so while projects are going on they can be done in peace and not impact living aboard and are inexpensive enough that moving ashore temporarily while in the yard is not a burden on your budget.

You definitely have to have either the right mind set to live aboard and full time cruise....even part time cruise like I am for a couple more years...or enough money that ultimate flexibility is at your fingertips.
 
Best advice I ever got was like what Irdiverdan posted: Don't buy the biggest boat you can afford, buy the smallest you can live on. We did that and ended up with our 36' Gulfstar. Are things cozy? Yup. Have we adapted? Yup. Do we enjoy being on the boat? Most definitely!!!! Make your wants and needs list, then take a REAL hard look at each item. Most folks think they need far more than they really do. KISS is the way to go. If you have the bucks, go for the gold. If you have a budget, you can do with less and get on the water sooner. Your mechanical ability and time to work the boat play a big part also.
 
I skimmed this only since this question is common so I may have missed this suggestion.

CHARTER
a few times. You will need to get an operators card and some experience from a hands on teacher. They are out there.

Talk to a few charter companies and find out what they require from you. Then try a few charters and find out how you like it and what you like about a few different vessels. You may not find all the boats that are similar to what you think you want but you will still be way ahead in the game of decisions, learning something practical to apply to your dream.
 
I skimmed this too. Saw recommendations for Europas from Walt and I believe others. And it looks like he's looking for a live aboard. Walk around side decks for a live aboard???? That's just nuts.

I agree w the poster that a sundeck for a live aboard either makes sense or is close to the only excellent choice. Most all are beamy boats that would make the most space aboard for the moorage. And the porch on top closed in would make a wonderful place to have tea w a good book in the evening.

As a boat I don't care for them at all but as a live aboard boat they seem perfect. I've seen live aboard boats in Alaska built up from fishing boats that basically built a 2 story house onto the big aft deck. In profile they looked much like a sundeck. On a sundeck one could build up a nice big room on the sundeck itself and get even more great space.

I know little about living aboard a boat and have no desires to that end but there must be many other things like plumbing, insulation and heating, condensation and many other things that could ruin a live aboard boat choice that could otherwise seem perfect. Beyond the obvious of space for a given amount of moorage I'm sure there are many other very important elements of what's best for a live aboard boat.

I may not ever have entered the live aboard thread but a good objective discussion of what's best may make for a good discussion. Just posting the name of your favorite boat won't be interesting OR productive for the OP or anybody else that has a need or interest.

It may be a little like anchoring in that it's easy to forget that the bottom of the sea floor is the most important element of anchoring and the moorage place or site may be the most important element of living aboard. Moorage is so cheap in AK living aboard is common but there are big downsides to living aboard in AK. Eighty knot winds and the high cost of everything else come to mind. Moorage is cheap because of huge injections of money from down south pays for most everything.

Perhaps the best advice to the OP is or would be to read the archives in the live aboard thread. I might learn something there myself.
 
I tend to agree with Eric's line of thinking. If living aboard at dock in the main priority, why buy a boat that possibly can be lived in but not really designed for it.
Why not look at houseboats? They are designed from the water up to live in. There is much more living space per foot of dock space. There are even some models that will handle moderate seas to some degree. Often they are much cheaper than to buy and maintain than a trawler type boat. If you just want to take the odd cruise on protected waters, this may be the way to go.
 
Many years ago I lived on a 28' sailboat in Long Beach... and it was small as 28 footers go! But even more uncomfortable was the No Live Aboard Regulation that we broke daily. The slip was located right below a busy Stan Miller Yacht brokerage; you can imagine the lengths we went through not to get caught - no lights, no cooking etc.

We absolutely loved every moment!

Fast-forward 25 years to my 54 foot trawler floating in a great (legal live aboard) mooring and the wife panicking every time I hinted we consider moving onto it.

There's been more boats in my life than I can remember and only a few things about design I've learned for sure:

#1 - Smaller the boat / the more fun I have.
#2 - As they say; "Life's too short for an ugly boat".

Just find something you like and try it! If life on the water is for you but the boat isn't right then change it up - then you'll know exactly what you want. Most long term marina residents I know have done just that.
 
I am not a livaboard, so this opinion is probably not worth much. I too like the Europa or pilothouse styles for living at anchor or dockside. Fewer steps, and easier boarding. If steps or boarding from ladders are not a problem then something like a 44 DeFever flush deck is something that would interest me. Lot's of space inside and out.
 
Just to clarify something...

It is true that I may live in a particular place for an extended amount of time. However, I'm not looking for a houseboat or a European style barge, even though the barge idea is very appealing in terms of living space. If it was just a question of living by the water and having the ability to head out and get away from it all for a while, I would just buy a house with an ocean view and some kind of sport boat.

What I am actually thinking about a boat that has legitimate ocean going capabilities.
It's a question of freedom. Freedom of movement being the biggest one.
Plus, in terms of my work, what I do is somewhat specialized and is by it's nature only semi-permanent. At the moment I am actually chasing a contract in Pittsburgh and another in Anchorage. Obviously Pittsburgh isn't oceanfront, but I mention it as an illustration.


Back to the subject...
It has occurred to me that it might be wise to buy a large fishing trawler that has a sound hull and simply refit her the way I want. I don't know yet.

What I do know if this...

Anyone who has ever owned a gun safe has experienced the moment when they think; "I should have bought a bigger safe".

The most important parameter in my mind is that if the boat isn't roomy enough for me to be comfortable living on it as a full time residence then it can't really fulfill it's purpose, but it can't be so big that I need a tender to get ashore.

Hence my decision that figuring out what "fits" is my first problem. If I get that right, the rest should fall into line.
 
Ocean capabilities???

Gotta take back all that I said.

People go down to the ocean in Sundeck and Europa types but that's about as recommendable as living in a small sailboat. I know a guy that lived on a small (25') sailboat in Thorne Bay AK. May as well live in a tent except in the tent you'd have more head room.
 
What I am actually thinking about a boat that has legitimate ocean going capabilities.

Plan on having 1/100 the boats to look at that are true ocean worthy boats , and plan on 300% more expensive than a coaster.

Plan on less room inside as those big fuel and water tanks take up room , even when not in use.

Ocean capable vessels tend to be larger , so enough crew can be carried that its not an endurance voyage.

For sail 3 is the minimum crew with 4 being easier. 3 on 6 off and the 4th crew is OFF , but cooks .

Look at sailboats to find what style sea bunk will work when dropping off 8 ft waves.

HINT , it isnt a king or queen sized athwartship lubber bunk.
 
It appears you have received some great information to start your search. Best of luck. If I could add anything it would be to confirm one post that suggested you try and get out on the water as soon as possible even if it is not on your dream boat. Start out small and inexpensive (if budget is a concern) and get a feel for time on the water. Even after growing up on the water on the east coast plus ten years of boating with my wife on the west coast, I still found moving aboard (part time) took some adjusting. While the life style is great and only a few people in this world will ever experience it, it is not for everyone and those who do experience it will eventually end up back on land at some point. Boat buying and ownership is not inexpensive so you will want to have as much experience behind you as possible prior to making the step of living aboard.
After enjoying our five years of living aboard (part time) and now being away for four years are looking to get back on the water but not ready for the commitment of living aboard. A night or two will be our limit of time aboard thus the boat we purchase will fit our needs. Find the smallest boat that meets your needs and save a ton of money. Hope this helps you in your journey!

John T. (N4050 & N0461 - former owners)
 
It appears you are in the "dream stage". At some point you will have to WAKE UP!!!! Sadly, the very large vast majority of liveaboards do NOT take their boats out. They have crap everywhere and taking the boat out becomes too tedious so the boat stays at the dock. You have already decided that you want to use your boat...at least in your dream! So find a boat that is easy enough to take out and big enough to be comfortable in.

Storage is a big deal!!! Not how much storage but how it is organized. Boats are generally built to a market for interior space and storage compartments are secondary. You will find many boats that definitely have a lot of storage...but it is all of these little cubby hole type compartments so you would end up having to store your necessary stuff(not your "crap") all over the boat. So centralized storage so you can get dressed in one spot and not chase down different items of your wardrobe. DRAWERS and LARGE hanging lockers!!! Not many boat builders have large deep drawers because they take up too much interior space. But if you can find a boat that has lots of deep large drawers it makes life aboard much simpler. Sounds simple enough...right??? Good luck finding that. Hatteras has been very good in this regard. CHB/Present too. Prairie as well. My girlfriend and I lived on a Prairie 29 for 5 years and we were able because of huge drawers and a huge hanging locker. Otherwise your stuff is everywhere and you won't take your boat out!!!!

As has been mentioned, sundecks for a tremendous amount of space for the size. There are a lot of levels on board but you do not have to compromise boarding. There are boats that have very decent swim platforms with molded in steps so you do not have to climb ladders. There are also boats that have salon doors so you can board amidship and walk right into the salon. And there are boats with a cockpit that allows you to board into the cockpit and then up steps to the sundeck. I have a 35 Carver aft cabin motor yacht and it is a BIG 35 footer. Every single person That comes aboard asks how big it is and their assumption is always in the mid 40s and are dumbfounded when the find out it is 35ft. This discussion takes place in a large salon while lounging in a recliner.

Anyway, the easiest boats to handle are sedans/europas/expresses. They also happen to be the boats with the least amount of interior space. The exact opposite is true of sundecks....lotsa space...harder to handle. So if you go sedan/Europa, Go bigger in length and you can afford to go smaller if you go sundeck.

Don't forget about the organization of space!!!!
 
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Oh I forgot. One more thing. Do you know how women's purses work??? It doesn't matter how big they are, women will fill them up with ****. Same goes for the boat. So don't get too wrapped up in size. Just get it big enough to be physically comfortable in and have enough space for your "necessary stuff"!!!! You will have to somewhat minimize your life. Get a storage unit or, better yet, sell your unnecessary stuff.
 
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