That's truly amazing that they know exactly what the gulfstream current speeds were 1,000 to 1,600 years ago.
Ted
Bonjour
Interesting indeed.
“ Without the warm North Atlantic Drift, the UK and other places in Europe would be as cold as Canada, at the same latitude.
Very few people are aware that New York is at the same latitude as Madrid. Many years of aviating to Europe the weather was the same, but the daylight differences over the seasons was striking. Light at 4am in Oslo and 70 degrees outside.......
Yeah, and Sioux Falls, South Dakota and French Riviera/Monaco are the same latitude too. I don't think Prince Albert has to scrape the ice off his windshield though.
A "Prince Albert" does not attach to a windscreen.Yeah, and Sioux Falls, South Dakota and French Riviera/Monaco are the same latitude too. I don't think Prince Albert has to scrape the ice off his windshield though.
Yeah, science is all BS.......
I wouldn't say that. This just appears as red meat being tossed to the base. When did science become the new religion where no one dares to question the pronouncements?
Ted
I wouldn't say that. This just appears as red meat being tossed to the base. When did science become the new religion where no one dares to question the pronouncements?
Ted
And of course your objection to this research is based on your own scientific study of the gulf stream rather than, say, "red meat that's being tossed out to the base"?
You're not "questioning the science", you're rejecting it out of hand because you don't like the conclusion and have been trained to believe that scientists are lying to you as part of some massive and imaginary conspiracy.
I was basically shouted down
Ted what you are describing is local variation while what is discussed in the article is global variation, not the same.Yes, actually I'm questioning the science. I have run numerous diving charters to the western part of the gulfstream in Maryland, North Carolina, and Florida.
From my experience the gulfstream stream varies greatly. We dive shipwrecks as deep as 300' where the decompression is done in the gulfstream. Sometimes the current screams at over 2 knots. Other times it's under 1/2 knot. Sometimes we find the warm blue water at 60' to the surface, other times it may be only the top 15'. Most years the gulfstream can be found as close as 50 miles off of Maryland. Occasionally the gulfstream tracks much further offshore. This is evidenced by the pelagic fish that are usually caught off Maryland (tuna and marlin) being all but absent. Instead they are much more prolific in Bermuda.
When diving the shipwrecks off of Cape Hatteras to Morehead city, North Carolina, we expect to see blue gulfstream water. There will be summers when the Northerly gulfstream is pushed offshore by upwellings of the Labrador current with it's Southerly current and cool green water.
Anyone who has dove or boated between Florida and the Bahamas will tell you that the gulfstream changes it's velocity and depth of warm blue water.
Do you think hurricanes and super storms have any impact on the gulfstream?
So with all the variables that I have witnessed over the last 40 years, when scientists tell us they know with absolute certainty (isn't that what science is, knowing with absolute certainty) what the gulfstream velocity was 1,000 to 1,600 years ago, I laugh.
Ted
Ted what you are describing is local variation while what is discussed in the article is global variation, not the same.
Is it possible to know exactly stream strength in a specific place, no. Is it possible to infer global stream strength during a certain period, yes.
Paleo climatology is a real science field and not just some noise to make the buzz. Obviously not based on measurement but based on indirect data observation like ice sample, sediment samples or even vegetation.
L
Climatic conditions can be determined by ocean sediment sampling, ice core and soil sampling, tree ring analysis and any number of methods so it's not unrealistic to postulate what the Gulf Stream (major climate influence in certain parts of the world) was doing 1000 to 1600 years ago.
Since gathering of the currents and volume data didn't start till 2004 (according to the article), how do you prove beyond a reasonable doubt what the volume, flow rate, width, depth, and temperature of the gulfstream was 20 years ago, 200 years ago, or 1600 years ago? Keep in mind that an increased temperature with less flow or vice versa could probably yield similar results. Sorry, don't see the scientific checks on this one.
BTW, if the ocean temperature is heating up, don't you want the current to slow down to maintain the same temperatures in areas impacted by the gulfstream?
Ted
Funny how a simple post about a publication is turned in a thread about pro vs con science.
L
I wouldn't say that. This just appears as red meat being tossed to the base. When did science become the new religion where no one dares to question the pronouncements?
Ted