That is pretty good fuel burn.
He is hoping that the low moving in to Ireland will continue to provide him with SSW wind/waves to help push him into Ireland. Should help his fuel burn as well.
Later,
Dan
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That is pretty good fuel burn.
He is hoping that the low moving in to Ireland will continue to provide him with SSW wind/waves to help push him into Ireland. Should help his fuel burn as well.
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How shall I phrase this....
Is a 64 foot Nordhaven really "cheaper" than a FPB 64? Using the world "cheaper," or even the phrase, less expensive just does not seem correct in this context.
Hmmmm, how about, does a 64 foot Nordhavn really cost less than a FPB 64?
I thought there were both 2-3 million USD?
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Good question. Probably the wrong title. I think Richard took time out on his trip North at maybe Beaufort SC to take a course for licensing for ocean master.
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Found this site than appears to provide current & forecasted wx systems of N Atlan that are being discussed.
North Atlantic Weather Forecasts
North Atlantic Weather Forecasts
Here is a link to the NOAA Ocean Prediction Center that has the charts Richard is using, Ocean Prediction Center - Atlantic
He is primarily using the current surface chart.
The 48 and 96 hour surface, 500MB, wind and wave charts are interesting to me but Richard is not using them for the most part. He did ask me today to check the 500MB chart to verify a high ridge over central Europe.
Other interesting European weather sites I have found:
Later,
Dan
He is primarily using the current surface chart.
The 48 and 96 hour surface, 500MB, wind and wave charts are interesting to me but Richard is not using them for the most part. He did ask me today to check the 500MB chart to verify a high ridge over central Europe.
Other interesting European weather sites I have found:
- UK Met Office Fax Charts - UKMOMSLP Analysis and Prognosis - org
- Met Office: Surface pressure forecast
- Atlantic Charts - Met Éireann - The Irish Meteorological Service Online
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True, Dat.
How shall I phrase this....
Is a 64 foot Nordhaven really "cheaper" than a FPB 64? Using the world "cheaper," or even the phrase, less expensive just does not seem correct in this context.
Hmmmm, how about, does a 64 foot Nordhavn really cost less than a FPB 64?
I thought there were both 2-3 million USD?
Later,
Dan
I depends on what you are looking for.. a FPB boat is nowhere close to the size and accommodation of even a N60. The FPB boats get their fuel economy and speed due to a narrow beam to length ratio... that is nothing new.. old rum runners and submarines use the same theory.
So to get the boat the size of a N60 you have to do a 90' FPB. Keep in mind that in Marinas, boat yards or anywhere they calculate fees it is typically on length. I know I am in rare company as I didn't/don't drink the Dashew cool aid. Funny thing is I like modern design, fast cars/planes/motorcycles but for a passage making boat a full displacement "traditional" boat is more to my liking. One that can be loaded heavy, has lots of deck places to hide out, and doesn't have that flat top vertical window y2K catamaran look. Also the idea of a unpainted aluminum boat is great for maintenance .. but you get your nuts roasted off on deck.. and you end you with white ..or grey aluminum marks on everything.
by the way.. I LOVED the Sundeer boats and the thought of one as a Cocoanut Run Circumnavigator.. as long as they were painted!
Rant over...
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I depends on what you are looking for.. a FPB boat is nowhere close to the size and accommodation of even a N60. The FPB boats get their fuel economy and speed due to a narrow beam to length ratio... that is nothing new.. old rum runners and submarines use the same theory.
So to get the boat the size of a N60 you have to do a 90' FPB. Keep in mind that in Marinas, boat yards or anywhere they calculate fees it is typically on length. I know I am in rare company as I didn't/don't drink the Dashew cool aid. Funny thing is I like modern design, fast cars/planes/motorcycles but for a passage making boat a full displacement "traditional" boat is more to my liking. One that can be loaded heavy, has lots of deck places to hide out, and doesn't have that flat top vertical window y2K catamaran look. Also the idea of a unpainted aluminum boat is great for maintenance .. but you get your nuts roasted off on deck.. and you end you with white ..or grey aluminum marks on everything.
by the way.. I LOVED the Sundeer boats and the thought of one as a Cocoanut Run Circumnavigator.. as long as they were painted!
Rant over...
HOLLYWOOD
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I completely agree with you, Hollywood. I'd rather have a boat along the lines of Dauntless. It is more economical than any boat I own. Make that far more economical. Dauntless has great range. The only reason fuel has become a subject is that it left Horta with considerably less fuel than it holds and some of us would have added some. Oh and just so the record is straight, Richard is getting better fuel mileage on this trip than a 64' Dashew at cruise. The Dashew gets about 2 nmpg.
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Maybe he means a RYA Yachtmsters Oceans. Is he a US citizen?
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The Dashew does a bit better than that. And is faster.
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Thanks for that Capt.Bill. I do drink the Dashew Kool-aid and from his recommendation in his Cruising Encyclopedia I bought a used Cal 40 30 years ago. Even though a race boat, it made a great and fast cruiser.
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Not enough bandwidth on HF. Satellite is the way and for Internet access while maritime mobile, a bit pricey. HF on the HAM bands are great for email, no big attachments.
All the ships I served on had full connectivity, TV, Internet, Comms, courtesy of our big golf ball.
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You dont need a golf ball, a mushroom like this would do.
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Were I to setup for ocean crossing and remote cruising I would install one. The data rates are enough for web connectivity and charges are reasonable under the circumstances. Yes, a lot higher cost then Richard's Delorme, which is still a fabulous piece of kit. But I would want to surf the net when other crew were on watch. I would always have a couple of other people on board...
Iridium Pilot | Satellite Phone and Broadband Data | Global Marine Networks
Were I to setup for ocean crossing and remote cruising I would install one. The data rates are enough for web connectivity and charges are reasonable under the circumstances. Yes, a lot higher cost then Richard's Delorme, which is still a fabulous piece of kit. But I would want to surf the net when other crew were on watch. I would always have a couple of other people on board...
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I'm not good at reading weather maps. How much wind is he getting? If I'm reading things right it looks like about 30 mph on his port quarter. Is that right?
Has anybody talked to Richard this evening?
Has anybody talked to Richard this evening?
Certainly faster but found your chart interesting since I had taken my numbers from Dashew's website (the 64). Now I didn't have information on the speeds less than 9 knots.
Fuel Capacity 3400 US Gallons
Cruising Speed 9.25-10.0-knots
Top Speed 10.5 knots
Approximate Range 9.0 knots – 6400 NM
9.5 knots – 5500 NM
Note: speeds/ranges are for smooth water, 75,000 pound displacement, clean bottom
So 6400 NM with a 10% safety factor would be just over 7100 NM with no safety. That comes out to 2.1 nmpg. At 9.4 knots your chart shows 2.8 nmpg and a range of 8899 miles.
I don't doubt your numbers. Just interesting and wonder what the difference was. As top speed was also faster on their current site perhaps a larger engine.
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IIRC the early 64's were just that, below 65' for a variety of reasons. Later they bolted on an extension. Because it was bolt-on the boat still officially measures at <65'. It gave more waterline length and undoubtedly speed and range. As well as desperately needed usable outside space. So perhaps both sets of numbers are correct, and reflect evolution of the design.
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I see....his website and two different sets of numbers. I would think your numbers are more accurate as they are from a test.
I do find it funny all the time he spends comparing to Nordhavn as if one couldn't just look at the two boats and know there would be a huge difference.
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Since we're discussing satellite communications...
I have a KVH V3 Mini Vsat terminal on my boat.
It offers 2mbps download speeds, and crystal clear voice calling virtually anywhere in the world.
Cost is $0.99 per mbyte and $.049 per minute for voice calls with no other long distance charges.
I'm thinking about signing up with marinetraffic.com to upload AIS data to them so that friends and family can track our boat anywhere, any time.
I have a KVH V3 Mini Vsat terminal on my boat.
It offers 2mbps download speeds, and crystal clear voice calling virtually anywhere in the world.
Cost is $0.99 per mbyte and $.049 per minute for voice calls with no other long distance charges.
I'm thinking about signing up with marinetraffic.com to upload AIS data to them so that friends and family can track our boat anywhere, any time.
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From the East Atlantic, 6:15 est:
Ever read the book "The Angry Sea"
It's been riled up for two days now.
Winds were 20g 40 all night. I have the seas behind me, but they are 6 to 12'
It's quite a ride. I'm wedged into the ph bench.
When those big ones roll underneath, Dauntless looks up and then does it's like tail waggle.
Almost cute.
The front just passed thru as we texted.
Winds still 25 bit more due west. Sun just came out and all the low cloud are now east of me.
I'm hoping winds die down a bit as to not build big seas on my beam.
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Ever read the book "The Angry Sea"
It's been riled up for two days now.
Winds were 20g 40 all night. I have the seas behind me, but they are 6 to 12'
It's quite a ride. I'm wedged into the ph bench.
When those big ones roll underneath, Dauntless looks up and then does it's like tail waggle.
Almost cute.
The front just passed thru as we texted.
Winds still 25 bit more due west. Sun just came out and all the low cloud are now east of me.
I'm hoping winds die down a bit as to not build big seas on my beam.
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I have been bouncing passageweather.com off of Richard so we can verify it's accuracy. So far it has been spot on. Even the forecast for a few days ahead has been good. Here is what he said.
Looks like you have a keeper.
That wx is spot on.
SW at 20 g to 30
Seas 6 to 10, but with occasional 12'
I have it right behind me so it hasn't been that bad
It's been like this since yesterday late afternoon.
The key today is how long these strong westerlies last.
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I then provided him with what the next few days look like on this site.
Looks like you have a keeper.
That wx is spot on.
SW at 20 g to 30
Seas 6 to 10, but with occasional 12'
I have it right behind me so it hasn't been that bad
It's been like this since yesterday late afternoon.
The key today is how long these strong westerlies last.
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I then provided him with what the next few days look like on this site.
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And more from Dauntless, 6:41 to 7:06am est:
It's sort of neat to see the top of an occasional wave st my eye level sitting here on my bench seat in the ph.
I'm almost tempted to do a 180.and see if I get green water over the bow, but I ain't doing that 400 miles from land.
Maybe 2 miles
Asked Richard how is holding up, spirits, health etc:
I'm holding up well. Only three days left.and I force myself to get as much sleep as I can whenever it's dark, as well as a nap during the day.
Getting the sleep has been the key.
Two ships were within AIS range last night. The closest they came was 6 nm.
I didn't wake got them.
Since I've figured out how to make radar alarms actually useful, That has allowed me to get more sleep than in the past.
We just rolled about 20° as a large wave passed underneath. Then Dauntless just puts her nose high on the air as the stern does a little waggle.
Without the Paravanes, that waggle becomes an ever increasing roll harmonic.
I'd be rolling 30° in each direction, total delta 60° Not dangerous, as long as
You have your seat belt on!
Don't ask how I know.
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It's sort of neat to see the top of an occasional wave st my eye level sitting here on my bench seat in the ph.
I'm almost tempted to do a 180.and see if I get green water over the bow, but I ain't doing that 400 miles from land.
Maybe 2 miles
Asked Richard how is holding up, spirits, health etc:
I'm holding up well. Only three days left.and I force myself to get as much sleep as I can whenever it's dark, as well as a nap during the day.
Getting the sleep has been the key.
Two ships were within AIS range last night. The closest they came was 6 nm.
I didn't wake got them.
Since I've figured out how to make radar alarms actually useful, That has allowed me to get more sleep than in the past.
We just rolled about 20° as a large wave passed underneath. Then Dauntless just puts her nose high on the air as the stern does a little waggle.
Without the Paravanes, that waggle becomes an ever increasing roll harmonic.
I'd be rolling 30° in each direction, total delta 60° Not dangerous, as long as
You have your seat belt on!
Don't ask how I know.
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Told Richard, If you stay at sea any longer you are going to get scurvy!
From Dauntless, 8:10 est:
Hey listen,
It's bad enough that I finished my last pecan pie AND I have 20 cans of tuna fish, but NO mayonnaise.
AND really no other food.
BUT I do have
A case of manderin oranges.
So a few days again when I was complaining about no mayonnaise, Julie responded with, "well with all those oranges you have, at
Least you won't get scurvy.
And to think some TFers think I'm not prepared
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From Dauntless, 8:10 est:
Hey listen,
It's bad enough that I finished my last pecan pie AND I have 20 cans of tuna fish, but NO mayonnaise.
AND really no other food.
BUT I do have
A case of manderin oranges.
So a few days again when I was complaining about no mayonnaise, Julie responded with, "well with all those oranges you have, at
Least you won't get scurvy.
And to think some TFers think I'm not prepared
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Tuna and oranges! No rum!? For those of you that havent joined the Dauntless admiration group....maybe this would put you over the hump.
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