Kadey-Krogen acquires American Tugs

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Holy $h!t!!!

As a two-time previous AT owner, I never imagined something like this would happen, but at the same time am not surprised.
 
As a soon to be AT owner, I am also surprised because of the long and proudly independent craftsman work of American Tugs. But at the same time it makes a lot of sense and Kadeys are quite a lot like larger ATs (or ATs like smaller Kadeys). They two lines go together quite nicely, I think. I just hope that good management and service persists for the next decades for AT as it has in the past!

There is not much reaction yet on the AT owners' forum but of what there is, it is positive.
 
Very interesting. Any reactions from KK or American Tug owners?

I am digesting the press release.
I did notice the key word, “opportunity”. That can be interpreted as ‘rescued’?

I do hope this is not the end of the AT34/36. It is a wonderfully designed boat.
I might very well be driving a new N46 after mine was destroyed in boat yard. They stopped making them. SHRUG. They make make a 41 and a 47.
And once again, this transition is complicated by redefining LOA.

I will just be happy with my AT34. SMILE

I hope it is a wonderful ‘marriage’ between KK and AT. There is room in this world for both.
 
That press release was not well thought out. I'd guess it was written by an intern. It mentions that AT has a healthy backlog of orders and that they are looking to expand distribution through KK dealers in a few east coast cities. If they have a backlog, more sales offices aren't going to have anything to sell. They also mentioned having KK refit work done at the AT factory, who already isn't able to meet demand. They are not going to combine any redundant management function or production capability. Why not !?!?
 
Perhaps, the AT facility (west coast) is going to expand again?
 
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AT originated as a split off from Nordic. A bit wider but the same quality. Both NT and AT initially had strong followings in the PNW but gradually spread to the east coast. There’s a huge NT owners group especially active as regards maintenance in the SE. But there’s also a strong AT following. Both boats are back ordered from what I understand. Both the 44 NT and the larger ATs have good margins so would be surprised if this merger was driven by AT being upside down. But they said if you want to start with 15m and end up with 5 go into the boat building industry. ATs are built in the US KKs aren’t. Wouldn’t be surprised if a driver was to follow Nordhavn and establish building sites in various parts of the world. Thereby lowering labor costs. Also using AT infrastructure to lower commissioning costs for west coast KK new owners.
 
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I really hope I am wrong but, I am just a little bit concerned that AT will become over powered by KK.
The AT34/36 is a wonderful ‘couples’ and loop boat.
 
is KK headquartered in the US ? Perhaps they are looking to reduce import duties if their ships are imported by a domestic company ?
 
My two cents in purely business terms. Spoiler alert: it has the capacity to be good for owners of both brands, which is different from a prediction it will be, because stuff can always be messed up in implementation.

There a tremendous drive to onshore production back to the US. There isn't a stable region anywhere in the world right now. Political risk is high and rising. The shipping problems are a different issue, but certainly has a pile-on effect. Then you have the yammering talking heads who have a current theme at the moment of a secular long term decline in the dollar ahead (making way too much of this in my personal opinion.)

You cannot hedge away political risk. You can only diversify it, or just eliminate it and take the costs into stride if you can.

So if Asia goes to hell, Kady as a company remains alive. Severely hurt of course, but alive with a core to rebuild upon. Good for Kady owners, and good for AT owners too as their hub ascends in importance. If things in Asia calm down, one might find larger AT's being built in Asia at an affordable price point. Good for everyone too.

The chat in every merger has some element of synergies. Yeah, right. Save a $1 apiece on door hardware. That isn't serious, just happy talk.

Then there is the happy talk that always happens. No staff is going to be impacted. You can't have worried staff leave until and unless the owner is ready for them to leave with a push.

Private companies have different end game problems. When the owner is tired and ready to retire, do they have family both interested and capable to carry on? Do they have trusted senior staff to promote and begin a process of selling to them in some staged process?

Sometimes the end game is to participate in a "roll-up" plan. Assemble a collection of related businesses to achieve sufficient scale to sell stock and go public. The payoff can be pretty darned big. The dream is to become another Brunswick. Hard to see that in this sector, but the dream may be alive.

But if the owners of AT need an end game plan, and this is it, its also good for AT owners. Their company remains alive and the brand remains active. Good for Kady owners too.

There is the happy talk on announcement, and then there is reality. Watch what they do, not what they say. Until all checks clear and subsequent moves are made or not made, bystanders cannot know what comes next.

The wild card is always the people piece. In the dating process both sides smile a lot and make a point of agreeing with each other. Its how well they work together, or don't, after the checks clear that can make or break these things. Bystanders can't know how well that will work, and generally neither buyer nor seller can either. Its the gamble made.

Kady isn't like Garmin who has been known to buy and kill off a competitor. That's not remotely rational here. So Kady has every incentive to keep AT alive and vibrant. But its also unlikely they are just going to stroke a large check and sit back as quiet absentee owners. They have some idea in mind, and bystanders can't know it.

If I were a Kady or AT boat owner I'd be reasonably happy with this. But no one can know what comes next due to unforeseen people issues or some other plan not yet visible.

My two cents.
 
I have no special insight or even decent business judgement. A few thoughts:

KK has a small staff - I’d guess around 20. I don’t know how many AT has but I doubt there is excess management capacity to support cuts.

The KK and AT production models are very different. All KKs are contracted to be built at a yard in Taiwan (same yard for 30 years). ATs are built by AT (right?) at a US facility they own.

I believe there has to be some concern about KK production if the Taiwan situation goes tango uniform.

Not dissimilar to the position Nordhavn and others (think Apple) are in.
 
I agree with FYW and danderer. One thing not discussed is the debt that KK is taking on to do this deal. The deal was brokered by a debt guy, so presumably they are the lender. I wonder how much debt, and other structure of the deal. Both are private companies so ownership structure and financials are unknown for both companies. Too many acquisitions are driven by ego and swinging dicks, and accomplished with heavy debt burden that ultimately smothers the company. There is no way to know in this case, but it’s something to keep in mind.

All that said, I think the success of any merger is 90% about post-merger execution by both teams, including how they work together. Plans are great, but in the end only execution matters. If the two teams carry on doing a great job, and find ways to do even better, it will be a great success.
 
AT has a fantastic end user support system.
I dont know about KK
 
At least as far as build quality and philosophy, I can’t think of a better marriage. KK was obviously in search of something to offer other than their traditional full displacement hulls when the took on Summit. As a long time KK owner/enthusiast, asking myself if I found KK and AT incorporating one another’s design ideas & tech, the whole sense of it feels congruent to me.
 
I should add, some might say that the merger of widely contrasting marks of the past sometimes resulted in the loss of identity for both. I think that KK & AT are well respected brands of their own where neither mark will have to sell its soul to the other.

Dan,… I wouldn’t worry about extraordinarily successful builds that AT offers. KK would be hard pressed to build an improved version of these SD hulls and if I was a salesman for KK, I’d be thrilled to have those hulls in my product line.
 
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I suspect AT is hoping to make major inroads on the east coast.
Let’s hope for build yard in SC or perhaps in or near Stuart FL.
Stuart is where KK has its sales team.
 
AT is not going to expand to build KKs in the near or medium future. There is no labor pool in the area to expand with. I know this from boatbuilder friends in the area.

I can see the deal from the point of view of the AT principals. They already retired once from NT and an exit strategy for a business you build can be a sale.

I hope for the best, but the track record on these kinds of mergers is not great.
 
DDW, I can see your various points.
Some folks build a company to sell it. Others will build and buid a company, expanding it.
I do hope AT doesn’t get lost in the shuffle. They have a wonderful product.
Ho one wants to buy an orphane.
On the surface AT wants a sales team on the east coast, allowing for expansion on the west coast.
At some point, they will have to build a build team on the east coast.
Interesting, it takes longer to build a boat than it does to build a house.
 
My two cents in purely business terms. Spoiler alert: it has the capacity to be good for owners of both brands, which is different from a prediction it will be, because stuff can always be messed up in implementation.

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If I were a Kady or AT boat owner I'd be reasonably happy with this. But no one can know what comes next due to unforeseen people issues or some other plan not yet visible.

My two cents.

Completely agree with your perspectives.

I can see how on the surface this acquisition is appealing to both companies. Krogen might be looking for a U.S. (non-Asian) manufacturing base, given all the absurd political anti-China sabre rattling by both parties in Washington lately. Plus AT owns the smaller and less expensive Ranger and Cutwater lines, which might be better sellers if you think economic conditions are going to soften in coming years (I believe the smallest boat Krogen now sells is the 44, well into 7 figures).

From AT's perspective, the founders have been at it for almost 25 years, and I believe 2 of the 3 original founders had already retired from active management. They might simply be tired and looking for their financial exit.

But... having worked in corporate mergers & acquisitions for a couple of companies over the years, I never ceased to be amazed and amused how little attention was often paid to the financial details, and how so many acquisitions were done for superficial, emotional reasons (companies actually believing their own press release hype about 'synergies')(unlike private equity acquisitions which are all about the numbers and putting a sharp scalpel to them).

The glaringly obvious point many companies overlook when buying another one is paying for it. I understand profit margins in the boat industry are generally thin. Top-line revenues might be good, but bottom-line profits skimpy. Depending on how Krogen paid for AT - presumably cash, using debt, since I suspect AT's owners probably wouldn't be too interested in simply exchanging their private shares for another company's private shares - you have to find the cash flow to actually pay for the debt service. That's where things often get painful a short distance down the road.

Most acquisitions optimistically talk about 'no changes to the business,' 'keeping everything exactly the same,' etc. etc. But where does the cash flow come from to pay the debt service? Particularly if both companies have relative thin profit margins, the money has to come from somewhere. Which usually means, cost cutting, a common financial justification for buying another company. You don't need two CEO's, CFO's, etc. The hope often is to find enough cost savings to pay for the debt service. It often usually work out so well, and as @DDW said, often a reason why so many acquisitions don't live up to their hopes.

I've never owned a Krogen but have owned two AT's over the years. I think they are an absolutely outstanding boat, superb quality. I hope that continues into the future.
 
Plus AT owns the smaller and less expensive Ranger and Cutwater lines, which might be better sellers if you think economic conditions are going to soften in coming years

I think Ranger/Cutwater is owned by Fluid Motion, not AT. Fluid Motion and AT would seem like a better fit for a merger than KK & AT.

It would be interesting to know ( but we never will ) where the idea for the merger generated. Was AT drowning and needing a rescue ? Did KK have a boatload ( did you see what I did there ? ) of cash and go looking for an aquisition? Or, as was mentioned before, did AT management just wanted to spend more time with the grandkids?
 
I would not think Fluid Motion and AT would be a good fit for a merger. They have very different quality goals. KK and AT a better fit from that perspective, but I'm still struggling to see the benefit for each as a business. The benefit to the exiting principals is plain enough. I don't see KK as having a huge dealer network on the east coast, and in any case boat dealers are not difficult to come by if you want them. High quality dealers sure, but a merger doesn't produce them from thin air.
 
I would not think Fluid Motion and AT would be a good fit for a merger. They have very different quality goals.

I guess this is exactly why I thought they would be a good fit. The Ranger/Cutwater is the entry point for those moving up from a bowrider/cuddy. Then when they get older and their family and affluence builds they transition into the smaller end of the AT line and can then work thier way up that line.

Its a similar business model to Toyota. They had great brand loyalty but once you maxxed out at a Camry, they were losing customers to the Germans. That was the reason for the creation of the Lexus line. Once they have you in the "brand family" they want to be able to satisfy you at all price and quality levels.

You want to avoid having brands that canabalize from each other, like Yum Brands. They own KFC, Pizza Hut and Taco Bell. Those are all in the same category of dining.
 
Considering the make up of the owners of AT, it would not surprise me if this was a retirement move.

Over the last two years I have liquidated my investments and involvement in all businesses with the exception of my apartment buildings. I just wanted more time so I could play more. Everything else had been accomplished.
 

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