Rusting cleat hardware

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twisle

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Canada
Vessel Name
Blackfin
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Mainship 350
My 1998 Mainship 350 has recently moved to salt water for the first time. A component of the hardware fastening the transom cleats is rusting and staining the transom. It looks like there may be a non-stainless component in the assembly that is rusting. Can someone tell me, if I remove the four Philips head screws that secure the cleat will the backing plate and fastener behind the transom fall in, or is it captive?
 
Most likely they will fall off. It is likely a plate that may or may not be epoxied to the deck or hull with loose nuts on the bolts. You will probably have to put a wrench on the nuts to even get them loose. As to the rust stains on the fiberglass, FSR (Fiberglass Stain Remover) works well in removing the stain. It is a mild acid so use rubber gloves and rinse after using.
 
Even good Stainless fastenings will show some rust staining of the transom fibreglass both behind the hardware and dribbling down below it. This can be removed using Oxalic acid or toilet bowl cleaner, but may disappear completely if you can bed the hardware securely so the stainless doesn't contact the fibreglass, or paint the fibreglass.
 
Frank
Welcome aboard TF. Alwats glad to see more Mainship owners here as there is a good sized helpful community and lots of info.
My 34 HT exhibits some " rust" stains around SS wim platform bolts. I believe this is appropriately termed " crevice corrosion" and not uncommon on SS on boats.
Here is more on conditions that support it. Im in fresh water and still see some evidence.

https://www.ssina.com/education/corrosion/pitting-and-crevice-corrosion/

http://coxeng.co.uk/metallurgy/crevice-corrosion/
 
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Thank you for your knowledge on stainless and its ability to ‘rust’. I appreciate it. My lifelong career was in the metals industry and I understand the science of it.

I should have made myself more clear. What I’m really trying to determine is, if I remove the four Philips head screws that secure the cleats will the backing plate and fastener behind the transom fall in, or is it captive?
 
Have you got access to the plate at all?

I have redone many of my boat rail stanchions over the years. Rewelding, TIG, the joints between the tubes and the foot plate and grinding the plates to eliminate the sharp corners and edges.

That required me to deal with a LACK of backing plates although the feet were through bolted with 316SS.

There was NO access in many cases to the underside without destroying parts of the interior.

What I made was aluminum backing plates, each hole fitted with Helicoils of the appropriate size and pattern to match the stanchion feet..

I also installed one much smaller heli coil, 6-32, centered so I could then use a 6-32 threaded rod to lift the backing plate into place. I would drop the rod through and then spin the plate onto the end so the plate could be lifted into place.

I made a pattern of another plate, tapped holes, with the same size of securing bolts installed that the stanchion feet used for centering. I drilled a 5th hole centered for the drilling of the 6-32 lifting rod hole.

I loosely installed two of the larger bolts temporarily into catty corner holes to hold the backer in place while I then secured the 6-32 screw into place.

Once the 6-32 screw was holding the backer I then removed the catty corner bolts and finished the install with my 316SS bolts with appropriate sealing/caulking.

It was still a bunch of work of course but it enabled me to provide a backer plate and reseal the stanchion plates.

My only regret was this was mostly done long before I became aware of the Butyl rubber tape however they still don't leak.

The aluminum backer plates were 3/8" stock.

As I went I also Never R Seezed the SS bolts as they were installed so I would not be drilling them out if I ever needed to go back.
 
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Thank you for your knowledge on stainless and its ability to ‘rust’. I appreciate it. My lifelong career was in the metals industry and I understand the science of it.

I should have made myself more clear. What I’m really trying to determine is, if I remove the four Philips head screws that secure the cleats will the backing plate and fastener behind the transom fall in, or is it captive?

Maybe I’m missing something, but I would just replace the screws one at a time. The backing plate won’t move even if it isn’t bonded in place. Don’t forget to bed the screws with 4000 or equivalent.

EDIT: okay, I guess you are also asking if there is a nut that will drop. I don’t know that one so I’ll let someone with that boat take it from here. I was assuming a threaded backing plate which is probably wrong.
 
First, no guarantee there is a backing plate. You really need to look. If there is, 95% certain it is not captive - this kind of install is almost always done with a helper, preferably an ex-jockey who can get into small spaces. Not unusual for cleat hardware to be buried and difficult to access.

There are two common grades of Stainless Steel used in marine. 304 stainless; and 316 stainless. 316 is significantly more corrosion resistant than 304; and is quite a bit more expensive. Guessing your rust stain is due to use of 304.

Good luck - Peter
 
Agree with Peter. Most likely just nuts with either a fender washer or a backing plate but loose nuts. You will need to get access to the rear. Maybe cut an access plate. I would be amazed if Mainship tapped the backing plate, if there is one.
 
Here is an interesting fact. Brand new Stainless Steel will rust. Things like SS sinks, nuts and bolts, etc will rust for a few days when they are first installed. This is a result of being polished at manufacture with steel wire brushes. The steel becomes surface embedded on the SS and will rust when wet.

This generally only lasts a couple days.

pete
 
The fasteners are also very likely to be 18/8 AKA 304 alloy. That is what you find in a hardware store or West Marine. These will rust a bit exposed to salt water. 316 fasteners are harder to find, but can be found. McMaster-Carr carries a very good selection.
 
Yes, replace such fasteners with 316. One place to get it is McMaster-Carr Supply.
 
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