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rgano

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Rode is good and more rode usually can't hurt a thing, but...

I typically come home from anchoring out and throw upen the chain locker hatch and hose down combination rode consisting of 160 feet of 1/4" G4 chain and 130 feet of what I think is called 8-brait nylon maybe 1/2" in size. After the freshwater is done draining out, I leave the hatch open indefinitely (rain not an issue under my boat shed) to let it dry out.

Yesterday with brother labor handy, we rousted out the whole rode onto the pier to remark the chain, and I discovered that after a week the chain was resting on still soaking wet nylon causing a bit of corrosion on some of the chain and a LOT of rust on the link at the union point with the nylon. I also noted that the triangular bottom of the chain locker was holding water in the aft section in part due to the drain hole being installed in the forwardmost tip of the triangle. Some of the water retention was due in part to the design of the boatlift which cants the boat downward aft, but I figure that even in the water there is still a bit of water retained in the aft section of the locker. There was a layer of West Marine pqstic dry deck grating down there, but the water level was above it in the aft section.

So, as we sat around talking over this issue, I quickly realized that 290 feet of rode on a 30-foot boat which I will NEVER likely anchor in over 20 feet of water (5 feet to water from roller) was a bit excessive, especially in light of the ongoing corrosive environment the chain was in. 160 feet of chain, my preferred rode material, is quite sufficient.

I cut the last rusty link of chain thus detaching the nylon, threw in several more squares of dry deck grating to keep the chain clear of the water in the bottom of the ocker and called it good. The nylon will be dried out and tossed into the lazarette. If I ever needed to anchor in deep water, I would likely not use that chain due to the small sized windlass. Rather I'd break out the 200 feet of 5/8" nylon storm rode I carry, and, if necessary, add the 130 feet of 8-brait, an extremely unlikely event.

Now I need to figure out how to put an eye slice in this 8 brait stuff.
 
Now I need to figure out how to put an eye slice in this 8 brait stuff.

I've done it. Tedious, but not impossible. Don't want to do it again, though.?

Some good videos on "the youtube".
 
Ha ha! I too have put an eye splice in brait, once.... it’s on my list of “things that work but should be redone!”

I should have done a few practice splices first
 
I found a fid or spike to open up the strands was essential equip when working w 8 plait.
It took a sloppy practice run to get the hang of it. Cut it off and started over w passable success the second attempt.
 
Good story. Hauling out the entire rode is on my checklist when I get my new to me boat home.

Rich writes: “Now I need to figure out how to put an eye slice in this 8 brait stuff.”

Call Rudy. He can do it!
 
Any chance of adding a drain that will empty the locker totally?
 
Samson makes a good spiral bound book on splicing. It covers 8-plait. Get it along with a good marlin spike and a set of Fids. You Tube is also a good resource. I use colored electrical tape to hold my ends tight and keep track of which set of strands.

I would suggest splicing a practice eye loop first, then splice a thimble before actually tackling your final product. The first one will be ugly.
 
Any chance of adding a drain that will empty the locker totally?

I would if it did not require major surgery.
 
Good story. Hauling out the entire rode is on my checklist when I get my new to me boat home.

Rich writes: “Now I need to figure out how to put an eye slice in this 8 brait stuff.”

Call Rudy. He can do it!

I taught Rudy everything he knows plus what Jill tells him; so, I thinking he's just muck it up right alongside me. I am saving all sorts of things for him to do if he ever returns to PC- simple things withn his limited capabilities. :hide:
 
I have found and downloaded a step by step guide, and if the brait is not too old and stiff, I hopefully will find time tomorrow to try this evy splice around a SS thimble.
 
I have found and downloaded a step by step guide, and if the brait is not too old and stiff, I hopefully will find time tomorrow to try this evy splice around a SS thimble.
Don't be too disappointed with your first attempt... consider it a trial run. The subsequent ones get better.
 
Don't be too disappointed with your first attempt... consider it a trial run. The subsequent ones get better.

I have a serrated box cutter blade (new item I found at Home Deposit) which cuts like butter, another 129 feet of brait, and PATIENCE (dammit!). :)
 
Greetings,
Mr. rg. Patience?


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Too much chain and rode

Thanks Rich,
As you know I have your sistership, a 2002 Mainship Pilot. I also have 150 feet of chain and 150 feet of rode but in SF bay we sometimes anchor in 45 feet of water and bow height, particularly behind Angel Island.
My chain looks a little worse for wear when I pulled it out last month but I didnt have the foresight to look in the anchor locker to see if there is seawater in the bottom.
I will keep my rode but I think it is time to re splice to the chain. It does hangup on the Lewmar windlass when pulling anchor right at the splice, even without any chafeguard.
 
Any chance of adding a drain that will empty the locker totally?

It is one of boatbuilding's great mysteries as to why boatbuilders will limber a locker, but put the hole above the bottom so that a swimming pool is created. This seems to be commonplace if not universal. Same is true of tanks.
 
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