12-volt television

[seabum]

This post may belong in the Electrical forum, but I thougt this to be more of a general rather than a technical question.

We are thinking about adding a TV and antenna to our boat. Other than the typical trucker's various Skyworth TV models does anyone have experience with 12-volt powered units.

Some household TV power bricks are designed to convert line voltage to 12-volts and that is a good option as I can bypass the brick and simply connect to a suitable DC circuit. I do not want to power the TV with an inverter because of the additional power drain. Any suggestions?

 

[rochepoint]

We have a Majestic 12 volt tv/dvd tv it is now over 10 years old and works like a champ. Wired directly into the boat, it operates on 9.5V to 18V DC. We are very happy with it.

 

[rwidman]

I have a Skyworth and it's been fine for several years. I think Jensen makes 12 volt models and there are probably others.


The problem with buying a 120 volt TV with an external power supply and cutting it off and wiring it directly to the boat's DC is that on a boat "12 volt" is not really 12 volts. As your alternator or battery charger kicks in to charge the batteries, you (and the TV) may see fourteen or even fifteen volts. That's fine for the batteries but if the TV doesn't have an internal voltage regulator, that will probably burn up the TV.


I would recommend buying a TV set that is designed to work on a truck or boat's electrical system.

 

[john61ct]

No, don't limit your choices like that, most devices that are "nominal 12V" actually tolerate a pretty wide range, say 11-15V.

And if you're really concerned, DC-DC converters/regulators/conditioners that ensure steady voltage output aren't too expensive at these low amperages, check out ham radio suppliers.

 

[DavidM]

Some years back after the country went to digital tv broadcasts, I had an older analogue tv in my 2006 Mainship. I wanted to replace it with a new and bigger 12V digital model.

So, I went to Best Buy and looked at several tvs in the right size range. I followed the power cord down to the brick and then looked on the back of the brick for its output voltage. Only one was 12V, most of the others were 19v like laptops.

But it was a nice tv, so I bought it, clipped off the brick and wired it directly to an accessory DC breaker on the boat. Worked fine.

As the OP said, most tvs can tolerate a wide variety of input voltages and a nominal 12V powered tv should work fine on a boat.

David

 

[Heron]

We have a 16" NAXA 12v TV and DVD player on a flip down mount hooked up to a Shakespeare amplified antenna.. Forget where I got it (Amazon Maybe?). Works great and pulls in 25+ stations with no problem..

http://www.naxa.com/products/televisions/led-tvs/nt-1506.html

 

[rwidman]

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As the OP said, most tvs can tolerate a wide variety of input voltages and a nominal 12V powered tv should work fine on a boat.

David

As a former electronic technician, I would not count on that. It has apparently worked fine for some folks but will it work for you?

It depends on where the regulator is located and that's not going to be on the sales literature.

 

[DavidM]

Wes:

Do you have any specific knowledge of a boat's electrical system damaging a nominal 12V television?

David

 

[rwidman]

Wes:

Do you have any specific knowledge of a boat's electrical system damaging a nominal 12V television?

David

Yes of course I do.

 

[kwmeyer13]

I replaced the Sole' T.V. on my Mainship with an Insignia brand T.V. It is a TV/DVD combo. All I did was cut the brick off of it and spliced into the exsisting 12 volt circuit. That was 3 or 4 years ago and I have not had an issue.

 

[john61ct]

Only one was 12V, most of the others were 19v like laptops.

DC-DC conversion is no problem, the point is avoiding double-inefficiency of using an inverter.

Lots of inexpensive 12V-19V converters out there, swappable pin connectors, just double-check polarity and wattage,

 

[Simi 60]

Lifes short, why limit yourself?
Get an inverter, enjoy that 40 inch screen.

 

[john61ct]

Needing an inverter has nothing to do with size.

Even a 60" screen is <90W these days.

 

[rwidman]

DC-DC conversion is no problem, the point is avoiding double-inefficiency of using an inverter.

Lots of inexpensive 12V-19V converters out there, swappable pin connectors, just double-check polarity and wattage,

With a native 12 volt TV, you just push the button and enjoy. Using an inverter or converter, you have to turn that on and off in addition to the TV.

 

[Simi 60]

Why?
In over 400 days living aboard I have not turned my inverter off once, the fridge would turn off if I did, the beer would go warm, there would be blood.

 

[rwidman]

Why?
In over 400 days living aboard I have not turned my inverter off once, the fridge would turn off if I did, the beer would go warm, there would be blood.

Not everyone powers their boat with a full time inverter. Many boats have 12 volt or AC/DC refrigerators and don't run an inverter 24/7.

An inverter has a "standby" current draw even when it is not powering anything. That's extra power being consumed.

 

[john61ct]

Yes, radically different philosophies here.

I like being able to go for a week offshore burning dino juice maybe 2-3 hours, rest of the time nice and quiet.

If you're running fridges off an inverter (really? why?) then of course, run everything that way, no problem.

 

[Simi 60]

If you're running fridges off an inverter (really? why?) then of course, run everything that way, no problem.

Why?
Because its a lot cheaper than a 12v option.

We run a 500 litre Samsung fridge/freezer with chilled water and ice maker and a secondary 100 litre freezer all on 240v.
Here, a 12v 60litre Engel camping fridge costs more than that full sized fridge.

We also charge a 240v hot water system
Plus TV, PC, vacuam cleaner, microwave, toaster, power tools etc

Solar meets most requirements - genset only runs about 3 hours/week.

 

[rwidman]

Why?
Because its a lot cheaper than a 12v option.

We run a 500 litre Samsung fridge/freezer with chilled water and ice maker and a secondary 100 litre freezer all on 240v.
Here, a 12v Engel camping esky costs as much as that full sized fridge.
We also charge a 240v hot water system
Plus TV, PC, vacuam cleaner, microwave, toaster, power tools etc

Solar meets most requirements - genset only runs about 3 hours/week.

And you cannot imagine anyone having a different setup, perhaps on a smaller boat?

 

[Simi 60]

And you cannot imagine anyone having a different setup, perhaps on a smaller boat?

Of course I can, but I was answering Johns question as to why oh why would anyone have anything else but a 12v fridge.

Even if I had a small boat, and I have before, I would run an inverter and a small $200 240v bar fridge and be well in front.

 

[FlyWright]

We are thinking about adding a TV and antenna to our boat. Other than the typical trucker's various Skyworth TV models does anyone have experience with 12-volt powered units.

I bought my boat with a 12V powered Shakespeare "UFO" type antenna. It works well. No complaints.

Some household TV power bricks are designed to convert line voltage to 12-volts and that is a good option as I can bypass the brick and simply connect to a suitable DC circuit. I do not want to power the TV with an inverter because of the additional power drain. Any suggestions?

I can't speak to the problems others refer to but can relate my personal experience after having mine trouble-free for 6 years. I installed an inexpensive Haier 22 or 24 inch TV like this one.

https://jet.com/product/Haier-24E2000-24-Class-720p-LED-HDTV/7cb7bda499af4afaba5c8266f4cdbf1f

I'm not sure if this one also uses 12V but it's very similar to the one I picked. I picked it because it uses 12V power that is stepped down via the wall wart and it's cheap. I discarded the wall wart and used a 12V cord in its place. The TV has worked flawlessly ever since. No inverters needed to view our TV.

If I was doing it again, now that we have smart TVs, that's what I'd look for. Sometimes I'd like to use screen mirroring with my mobile devices. I also use my TV as a ER camera monitor while underway. If one had wifi, it could easily be configured to watch the ER without the wiring, switching and RCA jacks.

 

[Lou_tribal]

I have a 12v TV aboard, don't remember the brand (can check next weekend) but it is working fine, no problem with it. It was already aboard when I got the boat but I can tell image is nice and it is working well. Screen size is around 20 inches not sure exactly. Almost never watch live TV though, when I use it, it is to use chromecast to stream a movie to it and it is on rare occasion.

L.

 

[ssobol]

As mentioned a lot of smaller flat screen tv's (under ~25 in) usually have a wall wart and are fed some DC voltage. If you can find one the is 12vdc, you can find a wide variety of DC-DC converters on eBay for a few bucks each. Just get one that can handle the current (probably 3-5 amps, but you can do the math).

I was going to do the TV conversion thing, but then found a better option (IMO), a large tablet. These can also be found online. Some are as big a 20". These also run on a wall wart or USB connection. While you cannot directly watch TV, you can stream stuff or preload it with things before you depart (what we do).

The tablet also gives you access to computerish stuff like the web, email, facetime, etc. You can also use it as a back up nav source.

 

[FF]

Jensen makes 12V units for the RV market .

Remote control , with outputs for super sound if desired

These can be had with mounts that will allow the set to pivot for best view , and a locking setup that holds the set on the road.

A second version has a number of fixed mounts to move the set from a fixed position to a second , third position.

Main salon, any stateroom , cockpit or oxygen tent , just bring it in in the rain.

24 inch up to,

http://www.asaelectronics.com/jensen-40-led-dc-tv.html

 

[mike66]

I have a cpap machine that runs on 12v dc. The wall transformer steps down and rectifies 120 ac. A quick Google search will find you a dc board that will regulate the nominal 12v from the boat to a steady 12v for your tv. ( Or any voltage your tv requires ). The input voltage range varies, the output is set with a potentiometer and your multimeter. I'd post a picture, but not at the boat. I think mine was $12.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/322395586091

 

[motion30]

I have a 32"jensen 12volt tv. At the time I bought it it was a largest 12 volt TV I can find I think now they build one bigger I am added about six years and it has worked perfectly