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Hi Russ -
They're built just down the road from me.* I don't have personal experience, but have looked at them pretty carefully and spoken with owners.
Bottom line:* beautiful boats, solidly built, handle well, seaworthy.* Very similar to Nordic Tugs, which is to be expected since the company is a spinoff of Nordic.* If you're considering the AT34, take a look at the Nordic 37, which is my personal dream boat when I win the lottery.* The Nordic gives you the little stateroom or office forward, the AT is more spacious.
Only negative I've heard is that they're really beamy boats for their length... you gain comfort and stability at the expense of economy ... even at displacement speeds, I think you're burning about 25% more fuel than boats with a more traditional length-to-beam ratio.
But boy, they're really beauties (in my ever so humble opinion
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They're built just down the road from me.* I don't have personal experience, but have looked at them pretty carefully and spoken with owners.
Bottom line:* beautiful boats, solidly built, handle well, seaworthy.* Very similar to Nordic Tugs, which is to be expected since the company is a spinoff of Nordic.* If you're considering the AT34, take a look at the Nordic 37, which is my personal dream boat when I win the lottery.* The Nordic gives you the little stateroom or office forward, the AT is more spacious.
Only negative I've heard is that they're really beamy boats for their length... you gain comfort and stability at the expense of economy ... even at displacement speeds, I think you're burning about 25% more fuel than boats with a more traditional length-to-beam ratio.
But boy, they're really beauties (in my ever so humble opinion
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"I think you're burning about 25% more fuel than boats with a more traditional length-to-beam ratio."
As well as the build is usually to Oxymoron "Fast Trawler" specs so the over sized engine needed to go fast is burning far more fuel at slow speeds than a more rational engine for a (for a 7K -8K boat) .
How much and how rapidly the severe underloading during most of the vessels operation will lower the engine service life is a matter of concern.
Frankly it is better to buy a hammer if you want to pound nails , not a torque wrench , tho both will work.
Have you read Dave Pascoe and looked at real motorboats ,(Hatteris Bayliner,) instead of mere styling* compromises?
The main reason for a "fast trawler" is PC , so your bar buddies don't rag you about purchasing a motor yacht.
Even tho the motor yacht might be a better boat for coastal cruising. .
FF
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As well as the build is usually to Oxymoron "Fast Trawler" specs so the over sized engine needed to go fast is burning far more fuel at slow speeds than a more rational engine for a (for a 7K -8K boat) .
How much and how rapidly the severe underloading during most of the vessels operation will lower the engine service life is a matter of concern.
Frankly it is better to buy a hammer if you want to pound nails , not a torque wrench , tho both will work.
Have you read Dave Pascoe and looked at real motorboats ,(Hatteris Bayliner,) instead of mere styling* compromises?
The main reason for a "fast trawler" is PC , so your bar buddies don't rag you about purchasing a motor yacht.
Even tho the motor yacht might be a better boat for coastal cruising. .
FF
-- Edited by FF on Friday 16th of October 2009 04:34:04 AM
While I don't disagree with the basic premise of your post, "fast trawlers" have been around in this area for a long time in the form of Nordic Tugs which were introduced in 1980 or thereabouts.* I don't think the initial models were powered high enough to be "fast," but later models were (and are).* The people I know who have them all have the "fast trawler" versions with the somewhat more powerful engines, but they all normally cruise at more typical "trawler" speeds--- 8 knots or so.* I've not heard of people having problems with this type of boat that*require more frequent engine*servicing or reduced engine life.* I wonder if modern diesel designs are such that they are much more tolerant of continuous low loading than older-technology engines.
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I haven't seen an American tug in Alaskan waters but passed by them from time to time down south. They always through a big (BIG) wake. Like Chris I prefer the Nordy but my favorite is the 32. I'd even rather have one than my Willard. Some folks like wide and stable boats** .. more boat for the moorage buck too. And if one can afford a good NT or AT one should be able to afford the fuel and moorage for either.
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Eric:
I agree with you that the 32 Nordic Tug is a very neat boat. I was on one recently and was quite surprised at the quality. It's very good! I think it would be a great little trawler in the PNW.
I agree with you that the 32 Nordic Tug is a very neat boat. I was on one recently and was quite surprised at the quality. It's very good! I think it would be a great little trawler in the PNW.
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":I wonder if modern diesel designs are such that they are much more tolerant of continuous low loading than older-technology engines."
TIME on the unit is required to create and observe the results of underloading.
The problem is discussed at times at National Fisherman and there folks are the only boaters I know that regularly run the engines to overhaul times.
With a marine motorist that probably wont see 4000 hours in 10-15 years , the problem is way down the road for the engine.
Things like a turbo , may easily reduce the time to expensive maint if some concept of the engines requirements are not followed.
IF I had a turboed engine , I would install a turbo pressure readout and be sure to have at least 1 pound of boost as much operation time as I could.
I would also half the oil change times , and install a good brand of bypass filtration (real filter not a roll of paper towels) and run 300 rpm from the pin as often as my wallet could pay the fuel tab. but at least 1 hour in every 5.
The electronic injected engines (30,000PSI) are claimed to handle the low loading better than the mechanical injected units , but then they are far better in a metal boat where a thunderstorm side strike may not require Sea Tow.
FF
TIME on the unit is required to create and observe the results of underloading.
The problem is discussed at times at National Fisherman and there folks are the only boaters I know that regularly run the engines to overhaul times.
With a marine motorist that probably wont see 4000 hours in 10-15 years , the problem is way down the road for the engine.
Things like a turbo , may easily reduce the time to expensive maint if some concept of the engines requirements are not followed.
IF I had a turboed engine , I would install a turbo pressure readout and be sure to have at least 1 pound of boost as much operation time as I could.
I would also half the oil change times , and install a good brand of bypass filtration (real filter not a roll of paper towels) and run 300 rpm from the pin as often as my wallet could pay the fuel tab. but at least 1 hour in every 5.
The electronic injected engines (30,000PSI) are claimed to handle the low loading better than the mechanical injected units , but then they are far better in a metal boat where a thunderstorm side strike may not require Sea Tow.
FF
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The AT continues to get good marks from the current and wannabe owners I've talked with in the PNW. The AT 34 is a bit more spacious than the NT 32 and it would seem designed intentionally so. Both the AT and NT will throw a big wake if operating above hull speed but below an efficient plane speed. 5 years ago I chartered a NT 32 for a week. IMHO, it was too cramped for an average stature person in the berth area. The NT 37 does much better in bunk space available. Both the NTs and ATs hold their value and seem to sell quickly, even in these tough times. As I recall, Dale and Donna Douglas while penning their PNW cruising guides used a NT 37 for years and in all sorts of weather. Being capable seamen no doubt played a role in their safe journeys.
-- Edited by sunchaser on Saturday 17th of October 2009 08:25:01 AM
-- Edited by sunchaser on Saturday 17th of October 2009 08:25:01 AM
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Check out this link http://www.tug44.org/ Fellow is a T&T listee who loves his American Tug.
Sorry, I should have included the quote from Sunchaser's post I was referring to.* In his comments about the AT34, NT32, and NT37 he stated that the Douglasses used an NT37 in their extensive travels in Puget Sound, BC, and SE Alaska to research their series of guide books in all sorts of weather, a tribute to the NT37.* I simply wanted to correct this-- the boat they used was actually an NT32, a tribute to the smaller model's seakeeping abilities.
Russ---
I don't know where you are located, but one thing you might consider is to charter an American Tug for a few days or a week to see if you really like this configuration of boat. Or if you can't find an AT to charter, you might try chartering a Nordic Tug. I know there are several charter outfits in this area (Puget Sound) that have NTs in their fleets. To find out if there are any American Tugs for charter a call to the manufacturer would probably get you the information.
The Douglas guides are excellent but they ain't cheap. They tend to focus on the operational aspect of cruising in this area so they have wonderfully detailed information (and little charts) of all the anchorages, where to best drop the hook, navigation tips, and so on. But not a lot of information on attractions like restaurants, marina facilities, etc. For this kind of information you want the (much less expensive) Waggoner Guide which publisher Bob Hale updates annually by boating up the coast in person. It, too, has navigation and anchoring information but not on as detailed a scale as the Douglas guides. We carry the relevant Douglas guides, a Waggoner, and another excellent book, Best Anchorages of the Inside Passage. And a tip for all of these kinds of guidebooks--- take them to a store like Kinkos and have them spiral bound. That way they lie flat when you're using them and you won't end up with loose pages when the bindings break down.
I don't know where you are located, but one thing you might consider is to charter an American Tug for a few days or a week to see if you really like this configuration of boat. Or if you can't find an AT to charter, you might try chartering a Nordic Tug. I know there are several charter outfits in this area (Puget Sound) that have NTs in their fleets. To find out if there are any American Tugs for charter a call to the manufacturer would probably get you the information.
The Douglas guides are excellent but they ain't cheap. They tend to focus on the operational aspect of cruising in this area so they have wonderfully detailed information (and little charts) of all the anchorages, where to best drop the hook, navigation tips, and so on. But not a lot of information on attractions like restaurants, marina facilities, etc. For this kind of information you want the (much less expensive) Waggoner Guide which publisher Bob Hale updates annually by boating up the coast in person. It, too, has navigation and anchoring information but not on as detailed a scale as the Douglas guides. We carry the relevant Douglas guides, a Waggoner, and another excellent book, Best Anchorages of the Inside Passage. And a tip for all of these kinds of guidebooks--- take them to a store like Kinkos and have them spiral bound. That way they lie flat when you're using them and you won't end up with loose pages when the bindings break down.
The recommendation to charter an AT or an NT is a great idea.* Try contacting Marine Service Center in Seattle - an American Tug dealer.
I bought an AT-41 in 2007 and brought it from Sturgeon bay, WI, to Newburyport, MA, through the Great Lakes.* It was an awesome trip.* I love the boat and have found it to be everything I had hoped: fit and finish, power, reliability, seaworthiness, etc.
Good luck with your decision.* I know the folks at American Tug would be happy to talk to you.
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Good luck with your decision.* I know the folks at American Tug would be happy to talk to you.
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My love affair with the AT34 started at the Miami Boat Show in 2000. Doug and I went and it was when the AT's were brand new. The boat show special was 199K for an AT34. You STILL CANNOT find a used one for that kind of money. ANyway, they are very impressive boats as far as I am concerned. Excellent build quality and much more spacious than a NT32. Their main marketing niche is that it is priced like a NT32 but has the space of a NT37.
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Russf,
Where do you plan to do your cruising? I've often wondered about them for use in Florida, the Keys, and into the Caribbean. We'll be interested in following your research on this, and on what you finally decide.
Bill, Annapolis
Where do you plan to do your cruising? I've often wondered about them for use in Florida, the Keys, and into the Caribbean. We'll be interested in following your research on this, and on what you finally decide.
Bill, Annapolis
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As an owner of a 2008 34 (now called the 36) it needs more hanging closet space, more storage for stores, and additional cabinets. Alas no matter what you do nor how you squeeze it, you can't get the 34 to store things like you can in a 42. I could have bought a 42 but no one wanted to go with me for more than a day. I bought the 34 and I am content after I managed to have additional cabinets and cupboards built. I still can't over come the lack of hanging closet space. I was fine until a lady start "leaving" things. Now I have 1/2 closet space and one less drawer. Guess what, it's worth the cramp living. WINK WINK
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My wife and i bought an AT 34 specifically to do the Great Loop in 2011. We spent 305 days aboard (not all consecutively) over 2 years and enjoyed every minute. There was plenty of storage and we never filled it all or wished for more. If we loop again, this will be the boat we do it in.
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GL, I agree with you 34 is an excellent boat for the loop. I added 5 extra cabinets but still could not come up with a bigger hanging closet. The port shelved closet is devoted to canned good and dry-stores. I can't seem to get it into my head, there are grocery stores near by. In the salon, 4 drawers to misc. boat related things, small thing needed for maintenance. The 4 drawers in the pilot house to other boat related things, charts, navigation stuff, etc. At the helm station, I had a folding step created for short people like me. The next owner will really enjoy the boat. LOL
Please understand, I downsized from N46 to a 34 AT and a storeroom. I had the forward stateroom rebuilt to include a cedar lined hanging closet and 6 extra drawers for the ex-wife. Total cost, $30K +. She could never figure out what to bring down for her stay of about 10 months of the year so she brought entire contents of her clothes closet. There was always room in the forward stateroom for her things. I didn't mind one bit. I got to keep MY small non-hanging closet. During and after the divorce, I think I sent at least 10 good size boxes to her home. The people at the UPS store loved to see me. Gosh, I miss that closet and those drawers.
Please understand, I downsized from N46 to a 34 AT and a storeroom. I had the forward stateroom rebuilt to include a cedar lined hanging closet and 6 extra drawers for the ex-wife. Total cost, $30K +. She could never figure out what to bring down for her stay of about 10 months of the year so she brought entire contents of her clothes closet. There was always room in the forward stateroom for her things. I didn't mind one bit. I got to keep MY small non-hanging closet. During and after the divorce, I think I sent at least 10 good size boxes to her home. The people at the UPS store loved to see me. Gosh, I miss that closet and those drawers.
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I did a factory tour in La Conner. Also, they were launching a new customer boat the next day, so we got to tour that 485 as well. Oh, and I chartered an AT 43.
It's really an impressive boat and operation. I was amazed at all the modern adhesives used, handed down from the aircraft industry. I saw hulls in every state from still in the mold to finished product.
I was proud that we still have a few American companies that can build a quality product like this. I met one of the company owners on the about to be splashed 485. He was vacuuming the boat.
On the charter boat, we did have a few issues, but these were related to products installed as opposed to AT.
Ultimately we decided we want a larger boat than AT builds. But if you are looking in this class, it is a great option.
It's really an impressive boat and operation. I was amazed at all the modern adhesives used, handed down from the aircraft industry. I saw hulls in every state from still in the mold to finished product.
I was proud that we still have a few American companies that can build a quality product like this. I met one of the company owners on the about to be splashed 485. He was vacuuming the boat.
On the charter boat, we did have a few issues, but these were related to products installed as opposed to AT.
Ultimately we decided we want a larger boat than AT builds. But if you are looking in this class, it is a great option.
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I sent Kurt some email with 2 questions.
I stipulated the boat loaded the same as the sea trial, approx. 1/2 fuel and water, nothing on the top deck.
These are "walking around figures" and not to be carved in stone.
Recoverable roll: 45 degrees assuming the glass does not break (the glass is not rated for full immersion) and no water intrusion into the ER (no baffles in the air inlet to the EF) and the back gate gap allows for water drainage.
The following quote, "The boat is built as a Coastal Cruiser and has passed CE certification for "B" category which is considered "Offshore", but not "Ocean" rated. This is the same as 12 foot wave height and 40 knot winds. I don't recommend that anyone go "Coastal Cruising" in 12 foot waves and 40 knot winds!"
As I said, they are "walking around figures". I dont know of any boater that keeps the upper deck clean and clear nor a boat that maintains 50% fuel and water.
I dont think anyone would purposely go out in 12 waves and 40 knot winds.
I stipulated the boat loaded the same as the sea trial, approx. 1/2 fuel and water, nothing on the top deck.
These are "walking around figures" and not to be carved in stone.
Recoverable roll: 45 degrees assuming the glass does not break (the glass is not rated for full immersion) and no water intrusion into the ER (no baffles in the air inlet to the EF) and the back gate gap allows for water drainage.
The following quote, "The boat is built as a Coastal Cruiser and has passed CE certification for "B" category which is considered "Offshore", but not "Ocean" rated. This is the same as 12 foot wave height and 40 knot winds. I don't recommend that anyone go "Coastal Cruising" in 12 foot waves and 40 knot winds!"
As I said, they are "walking around figures". I dont know of any boater that keeps the upper deck clean and clear nor a boat that maintains 50% fuel and water.
I dont think anyone would purposely go out in 12 waves and 40 knot winds.
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Fuel Fill o'ring questions:
What diameter and material is the o'ring on the fuel fill cap.
I noticed a bit of rust on the underside of the fill cap.
I had water in the bowl of the Racor filter. I am thinking it is a bit more than the discussed condensation.
When I started the engine, I would get a water in the fuel alarm but the alarm would clear. The bowl was removed and cleaned, (new o'rings as necessary) and obviously the filter was changed.
Considering the 3 days and nights of Irma, I am wondering if I have some water in the fuel and want to take pre-emptive action by replacing the o'rings on the two tank fill fittings.
Too bad there is not a drain at the bottom of the fuel tank but, I also understand why. "Hey, what's this valve for?" "I thought I opened the drain for the water tank." or other some such nonsense.
What diameter and material is the o'ring on the fuel fill cap.
I noticed a bit of rust on the underside of the fill cap.
I had water in the bowl of the Racor filter. I am thinking it is a bit more than the discussed condensation.
When I started the engine, I would get a water in the fuel alarm but the alarm would clear. The bowl was removed and cleaned, (new o'rings as necessary) and obviously the filter was changed.
Considering the 3 days and nights of Irma, I am wondering if I have some water in the fuel and want to take pre-emptive action by replacing the o'rings on the two tank fill fittings.
Too bad there is not a drain at the bottom of the fuel tank but, I also understand why. "Hey, what's this valve for?" "I thought I opened the drain for the water tank." or other some such nonsense.
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Per the fuel fill o'rings. I talk with Kurt. He told me, they have change manufactures a couple of time but, turn me on to a possibility on Amazon. I tried to order but Amazon told me the o'rings were an "add on" part. In other words, I had to buy more stuff first. I told them, I would not be ordering from them.
I called the manufacture and we found the same model o'rings. Minimum order $25. LOL So I ordered 20 o'ring with a prorated cost of about $1.50 each. IF they are the right size, I might keep 4 and if you have a need I suspect we can work something out.
I guess I should send 4 to Kurt and then 4 to AT guru for the east coast.
I do hope they are the right size for my boat.
I called the manufacture and we found the same model o'rings. Minimum order $25. LOL So I ordered 20 o'ring with a prorated cost of about $1.50 each. IF they are the right size, I might keep 4 and if you have a need I suspect we can work something out.
I guess I should send 4 to Kurt and then 4 to AT guru for the east coast.
I do hope they are the right size for my boat.
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I have a 34AT, I get many compliments. I think some of the compliment are because of the hull color. Most hull color is white. AT offer, on new builds, white, red, dark blue, yellow. British Racing Green. My used AT34 is British Racing Green. There may be other colors but, this what I have seen.
I guess if you buy one, you can paint it any color you want.
I guess if you buy one, you can paint it any color you want.
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Maria and I believe the AT 34 is simply the best coastal cruiser for a couple there is. We are very comfortable living aboard - more storage space than we can use. The engine access is great (I am 6'5"), and she is stable and seakindly. Plenty of admiring looks wherever we are. I would buy another one in a heartbeat.
Sailgemini
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Hey, DAN—Any chance you have photos or sketches of the storage improvements you’ve made? We lived on a 42’ sailboat 20+ years and downsizing is a challenge!
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I have yet to figure out how to send/attention pics.
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Hmmm...they changed the system but I’m trying it. Down below the box with the text you’re typing is a button “Go Advanced” (on my mobile device...can try my laptop if needed). Then again scroll down the “new” window” and click “Manage Attachments” then it’s pretty straight fwd. Seems like you always have to scroll down for the next step. Here’s a test with our sailboat.
