Mine too, Dave (sitting in the ditch).
I hope no one is dismantling the Missouri. Sydney has great memories of her visit post refit some years ago.
The reactor cores from the Enterprise will be barged up the Columbia to our area. We have a nuclear area just north of town where they have been burying reactor cores from decommissioned nuke subs for many years.
Used to? We still get rid of waste in deep wells.
Why is it bad news? Deep wells are in salt water, not fresh. So drinking water sources are not effected. Crude petroleum comes from deep wells. When was the last time you turned on the tap and had 40 gravity oil pour out? Don't believe all the hype you hear from uninformed people.
Ray Muldrew
Giggitoni said:Groundwater at depth is salt water. Has nothing to do with the ocean. Salt water at depth can be found in Kansas! The water is no use to humans. It is virtually Impossible to communicate between deep injection wells and shallow fresh-water aquifers.
It's not an opinion, it's well known fact. I worked as a geologist in oil and gas exploration for 12 years. I have spent the last 24 years cleaning up hazmat spills in soil and groundwater for the transportation industry. Deep injection wells are used for disposal of hazardous substances routinely. No smoke and mirrors. What other facts do you know?
Ray Muldrew
Groundwater at depth is salt water. Has nothing to do with the ocean. Salt water at depth can be found in Kansas! The water is no use to humans. It is virtually Impossible to communicate between deep injection wells and shallow fresh-water aquifers.
It's not an opinion, it's well known fact. I worked as a geologist in oil and gas exploration for 12 years. I have spent the last 24 years cleaning up hazmat spills in soil and groundwater for the transportation industry. Deep injection wells are used for disposal of hazardous substances routinely. No smoke and mirrors. What other facts do you know?
Ray Muldrew
thank you Ray, your right back to boating. However, there is no reason to indicate that injection wells disposal of toxics is any safer than any of the other techniques used in the past. One thing that has proven to be 100% is that every time we try to dispose of toxics without first reconstituting the toxic into a safe form it comes back to haunt us, without exception.The administrators can move this portion of the thread should they feel it is necessary.
Deep injection wells are one viable answer for the disposal of hazardous waste. Obviously Aerojet's methods back in the late '50s and early '60s where not technically correct. Aerojet did not inject the waste stream into a confined stratigraphic layer. The two wells used by Aerojet were drilled into the Ione formation at depths of 940 feet and about 1,600 feet. The overlying rock types were mostly unconsolidated silts and sands which allowed communication with useable aquifers near the surface.
However, other sites, such as Rocky Mountain Arsenal, used injection wells deep into the substrate with multiple confining layers. They injected at a depth of about 12,800 feet below the ground surface. We will never see that material again. It was accomplished correctly.
When I looked at your bio and saw that you are collecting a retirement check from the EPA I didn't know whether to laugh or vomit. You in particular should know that the EPA has developed criteria for the construction and use of deep injection wells. The EPA has divided injection wells into six classes depending on the material injected for disposal. It is a very tedious process to obtain a permit from the EPA for disposal of certain toxics. I know, I've done it! What do you expect humans to do with critically hazardous waste? Store it on the surface where it can enter surface or groundwater? Dump it into a lined landfill and keep your fingers crossed that it won't enter the food chain? What's your alternative? Your kind suggests that we eliminate the toxic stream in the first place. So let's see, we won't have things made of metal. We can forget about anything made from plastic; heaven forbid we would have to drill for oil. Should I go on and on?
I suggest we let this discussion rest and go back to boating where I, for one, can learn about marine systems from knowledgable folks like Al, Eric, Rick, Marin, Ron, etc. I'll let the knowledge I've picked up over the last 37 years solve problems for my clients which, in turn, "saves the environment"...
Ray Muldrew
LOL...no apology needed!
+1
If there is one thing I have learned in all the years I've been learning it's how much I will never learn. It always amazes me when I see even a tiny bit of someone else's field of expertise--- in this case Ray's--- how much more complex that field is compared to my outsider's view of it.