Boat issues found after the survey and deal closed

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- 2 of 3 windshield wipers inoperable
- sea water pump inoperable
- very low water pressure in all faucets (clogged aerators only)
- overboard discharge of holding tank was identified, overboard discharge of both heads was missed, one in plain view, the other hidden behind the generator.
 
I have given talks at Trawler Fest on proper surveys. Over a long career, I can only think of four instances where as the broker representing the Buyer and in some instances the Seller too where I did not select and make all the arrangements for the survey. Because of my decades of experience repairing and building boats, I have a pretty good idea of the condition of the vessel before even getting her under agreement. I also advise Buyers not to have any expectation of a survey adjustment to the Selling Price unless really big issues are found like the generator needs a rebuild or in the case of a composite boat, the bottom is so badly blistered it needs to be peeled. Even in such cases, we usually can negotiate a fair adjustment to the Selling Price. We typically do not agree to the Seller correcting defects.

Unfortunately, most marine surveyors do not meet our competency standards. We also believe surveyors should not be selected on the basis of cost. Most 50' trawlers require two days for the hull survey and one full day for the engine(s) and genset(s). We like to start with the short haul to check the bottom and running gear before the seatrial as the bottom & prop should be clean to achieve the specified RPM at WOT under load. The engine surveyor will need all the machinery stone cold to do the cold checks before startup. Both surveyors should work together on the seatrial. They should have a rigid protocol …it’s not a joy ride. Ideally, there should be at least 50 hours on the engine & genset lube oil, gearbox oil & hydraulic fluid if applicable. I have seen brokers who think proper oil samples can be taken when the oil is cold. Samples must be taken following the seatrial.

There is a lot to a proper survey…more than I can cover in this format.
 
On one occasion, while carrying out an inspection concurrently with a surveyor, I was taking apart an electrical panel, the surveyor walked by and said, "What are you doing?", "Getting access behind this panel", I said. His response was telling, "They taught us in surveyor's school to never take anything apart because if we break something we'd be responsible for it". I carry an electric screw driver in my traveling tool bag because I took so many things apart in my inspections that my hands were aching at the end of the day. And on the subject of removing cover plates from outlets, I do that as well, and in too many cases I find, among other defects, that there are no enclosures/junction boxes.

I good surveyor will document what's aboard, and they should test every piece of gear, from microwave and washer to all helm stations and engines. Their primary goal is to satisfy the needs of the bank and the insurer, and if they can, protect the interests of the buyer.

More here

Selecting a surveyor:
Engine survey: The Art of the Engine Survey | Steve D'Antonio Marine Consulting

Fluid analysis: Oil Analysis – Editorial: The Need for Vocational Training | Steve D'Antonio Marine Consulting

Engine Survey Reports: https://stevedmarineconsulting.com/...vey-Reports-Deciphering-and-Understanding.pdf

Sea Trials: https://stevedmarineconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/SeaTrialsProBoat145B.pdf
 
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I once considered becoming a marine surveyor and went to see my lawyer to ask his advice before taking the plunge. “ Don’t touch it with a barge pole” he advised me. “ See that pile of documents on that shelf … they’re all lawsuits directed at surveyors!” Needless to say, I followed his advice. Some time later a good friend, a marine surveyor, lost his home in a lawsuit over a survey he had done, not for the man who sued him but for a previous owner who had passed the old survey on. So yes, surveyors can be sued, despite the disclaimers, but their sins of omission need to be pretty egregious. That said, a trawler I purchased a year ago was surveyed by a pretty competent fellow who, nonetheless, missed several areas of delamination in the foc’sle lining and the house sides (glass over marine ply recently rebuilt). Fortunately I was able to replace all the foregoing myself but shudder at what it would cost if local ‘chippies’ were employed at $90 per hour plus!
Where to begin. First, I learned long ago, if everyone who considered starting a business made decisions based on what their attorney told them, no one would start a business. I have had the same business attorney for 17 years (he was the third one) and I don't know how I would manage without him, however, he's a rare breed (former enlisted Marine embassy guard), he understands the goal if business is to actually do business and be profitable. Most attorneys will give you the worst case scenario, and if you only listen to that, you will be paralyzed with fear and never do anything but work for someone else.

If you are a surveyor and you aren't incorporated, and insured, to protect your assets, you are truly a fool. Most surveyors I know have this coverage and understand its importance, and in most cases the coverage is available through their professional organization, so shame on the surveyor who lost his home, there's no reason for that.

In my nearly forty years in the business I can think of only a few cases where I've heard of surveyors being sued, must are judgement proof, the business has few assets, so those doing the suing move on to more lucrative targets.

Having said all that, I have encountered my share of inept, incompetent and negligent surveyors; and that behavior was what partially inspired me to start my consulting business. I managed a boat yard (after working as a marine mechanic and electrician for 7 years) and saw too may examples of folks buying brokerage vessels without being made aware of the many and often obvious flaws. I would go aboard the vessel to look it over in preparation for the work they wanted to do, fun stuff like water makers, inverters, paint and varnish, only to come away with a 25, 50 or 100k dollar estimate to fix seacocks, raw water plumbing, electrical, exhaust, and running gear issues. That news was difficult to deliver, as it was never in the budget for the new owners. When I delivered the news, the response invariably was, "But we had it surveyed and none of that was noted".

I have my bones to pick with many, but not all, hull and engine surveyors, of that there is no doubt, however, there are exceptions, smart, savvy, competent individuals who often come from the marine trades, as former mechanics, shipwrights, and engineers, who have the necessary first hand experience, and thus confidence, to thoroughly review and critique a vessel in the manner it should be reviewed for a pre-purchase survey, the one opportunity a buyer has to catch faults, flaws and defects and avoid big, expensive post sale surprises. I have nothing against those who retire from other non-marine professions, but the ones that become surveyors because they 'just want to be around boats' usually don't have, in my experience, what it takes to identify shortcomings, many of which are subtle and easily missed. Equally, surveyors, even competent ones, who are not physically fit, those who can't crawl through bilges and behind engines, are not well suited to the task.
 
Did my purchase through Zimmerman Marine's yacht purchasing service. They provide a warranty on work that is not found through the survey (they have a say in who surveys). My DeFever 44 had some issues that were not found on survey but were present at purchase. Zimmerman covered those repairs (there is a limit). Issues were wet deck around dinghy crane, electrolysis and corrosion worse than realized.

I can't stress enough the quality of the surveyor. Surveyed two previous boats by Allied Marine- the most thorough, comprehensive and thoughtful survey I've seen in the 5 purchase surveys I have paid for. And wish they would've surveyed the current boat. Wouldn't have stopped me from buying, but would've had me negotiating additional work and/or cost reductions.
 
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