MichaelB1969
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- Speedy Charlotte
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- Beneteau Swift Trawler 44
The 'Burrwood' rails on Flemings might be ok in some places. But here we have high UV and a lot of sunshine in general. They don't always last very well. A 65 here had them replaced.
No, not really, its just the proper name for it. The wood that "caps" the rail, doesn't matter what the rail is made of or how old. That picture is from a boatbuilding book of mine, a modern one, by Robert Stewart. I realize most people say cap rail and will not move from that no matter what, I just prefer the proper terminology. And stir the pot a little, lol.78 per post #22,
I suspect that rail cap was on old ships w steel railings. To make them fancy w a bit or more bling sculptured wood cap boards were employed. And to make them fancier yet (as on a yacht) ...oiled or varnished rail caps and fancier yet w exotic woods .. teak ect.
I was introduced to “cap rail” on TF as a result of all the yachts their-in.
This is the cap rail I'd want! It's a fiberglass cap rail that looks like wood and is an option on Fleming yachts. View attachment 75430
I agree. I don't think Semco is a good fit for a cap rail. It doesn't last that long and doesn't offer much protection at all since, as you suggested, it doesn't build up in layers on top of the wood. At least not significantly enough to offer any protection.
Larry: Keep us posted on how it works. You couldn’t much ask for anything easier to apply.
Could be. Semco is an experiment for our boat. I was just at the Sun Coast Boat Show this weekend and again, outfits like Beneteau and Menorquin were using Semco on decks and cap rails. so we’ll try it. I should add that the veranda is covered on our boat so what we have left of the natural cap rail gets about 40-50% sun. I’ll soon be reinstalling the full canvas enclosure, so UV exposure will drop considerably. I’m following this thread closely....some good ideas here.
I used some on my old sailboat caprails(rail caps) a while back. The two part cleaner did a great job cleaning and renewing the color of the teak, although it did seem a bit harsh. I loved the ease of application and the look of the sealer. I sold the boat before I got chance to see how it lasted. I need to renew my teak on the dinghy and might try this again.Could be. Semco is an experiment for our boat. I was just at the Sun Coast Boat Show this weekend and again, outfits like Beneteau and Menorquin were using Semco on decks and cap rails. so we’ll try it. I should add that the veranda is covered on our boat so what we have left of the natural cap rail gets about 40-50% sun. I’ll soon be reinstalling the full canvas enclosure, so UV exposure will drop considerably. I’m following this thread closely....some good ideas here.
+1 on the heat gun, followed with some sanding. Once you get the blistering right, it`s quick and easy,though I only use it on my nameboards.(Also useful for good crackling on roast pork!)The heater might be great if you had a large area. But a conventional heat gun would also work well on varnish.
If you have 'floor varnish', ie polyurethane, then sanding it will likely be as easy to do as anything else. Cap rails are not that big an area, it won't take very long.
+1 on the heat gun, followed with some sanding. Once you get the blistering right, it`s quick and easy,though I only use it on my nameboards.(Also useful for good crackling on roast pork!)
The nameboards get Cetol TGL Gloss, which I get at Bunnings. It`s clear. I sometimes use a wood stain under it to get "teak" without sanding away lots of wood.
Gaston, the PO of your boat has seen the error of his ways and is oiling the cap rails of his Clipper 40. It looks good.
My main aim is avoiding repeatedly going back to bare wood.I`ll accept a finish that looks "ok to good" rather than "great", as a compromise.
Time has come to strip and prep my cap rails to make ready for some form of oil or varnish . At present I'm told they have a 2 pak varnish that's failed the Australian sun in just 14 months so.
I'm calling on the brain trust and ask what they have used in HOT conditions.
We’re just doing the teak on our Albin, and have been told that’s Australian Timber Oil holds up we’ll in our Southern climes. I can’t verify this personally, but the person who told us had a 38’ trawler that looked amazing. Check with me in 6 months, and I’ll let you know how it stands up.
The Feast Watson company here makes a decking oil. What brand you are using?We’re just doing the teak on our Albin, and have been told that Australian Timber Oil holds up well in our Southern climes....
I first used Cetol (natural), but it was not very durable at all. It may well be a lot better if you use a coat of epoxy first. Despite the warnings!
Whitworths carry a two-part epoxy sealer which has consistency of water, even after mixing, and penetrates quite well. Leave it to dry for 4 days, then apply whatever you wish. Although I just noticed they say to only use a clear finish in permanently shaded areas. So You might need a tinted product, such as Cetol, before a clear gloss.
I have only used it on teak hatch trims, which I decided to paint.
https://www.whitworths.com.au/norglass-norseal-wood-treatment-clear
I have seen very good results for Awlwood. It has several shades, but can be a bit too reddish for some. I think its best left for professional's to apply as there are some tricks to getting it right.
Before I discovered the NorSeal I went the Deks Olje route. You apply multiple coats of #1, wet on wet, until no more can be absorbed. Then wipe off with a cloth. Allow 3 days to dry, then apply multiple coats of #2 with a day between coats. I'm reasonably happy with results. After 6 months a light rub with a green scourer pad using #1 oil. Then a couple of coats of #2. Its all quite painless! I believe #2 is a polyurethane.
What I am testing on one section of rail for the 6mth top-up is a light, dry sand of the rail, then Cabots Exterior Polyurethane 'Marine Grade' (from Bunnings). It seems more durable then the Deks Olje #2. At least a year, perhaps longer. Cabots by itself is durable enough but the wood gets bleached underneath, hence my preference for using Deks Olje first.
For my decks, I first used Starbrite Tropical Teak Sealer (light). Its Ok, but not great. Then I used the Teak Wonder system. Teak cleaner, then brightener and then multiple coats of Sealer. It is easy to apply but does no last very long. Worse, it leaches out with rain, and stains the gelcoat beneath the scuppers.
So now I'm using Deks Olje, #1 oil only. I thinks that's what I'll be sticking with.
Hi Brian,
I know this post is a few years old now, but how did that test with the cap rail go- Cabots Exterior Poly over Deks Olje #1?
George