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Ummm did Anita just call Frank a pet rock?
Ummm did Anita just call Frank a pet rock?
Spoke to Anita working at the NVDC at 1130 this morning (snip)
She said that if you are STATE registered and pending documentation...there is no law that you are violating while operating your vessel (snip)
The latest from the NVDC:
I just managed to get a very harried sounding woman on the phone at NVDC.
She said I should have received an immediate automated receipt to the email filing I made Friday. If I didn’t, which I did not, then “something isn’t working right in the system”. It sounds therefore, that my Friday re-submission was bounced into the phantom zone.
I mentioned my email to the webmaster asking for live receipt confirmation and she said they are presently reading the emails from 13 August. I infer therefore, that no one will even check to see if my submission went into the system until about 4 September.
I asked what the current backlog and timeline was for TCOD’S and she said they are currently making no promises or giving out any timelines on TCOD or COD deliveries. I said this is a problem because I can’t move the boat until I get a certificate. She said, “That’s right.”
I asked, “Are we talking weeks or months here?”
She said, “I can’t say.”
So, when you had your conversation, did you happen to get the woman's name?
I'm going to try and get the BoatUS government affairs guy who is following this to do that. As you say, it sometimes depends who is asking.Call them back and ask to speak with Anita.
That's how I got into this mess. I asked for it in writing :} I learned long ago not to rely on what I'm told on the phone in a CYA situation. (See Post 83 of this thread.)See if she can or will (politely I might add), send you anything in writing to confirm the conversation.
No, I actually wasn't asking about this issue at all but simply whether they could find my application and what their TCOD delivery time was currently so I can plan. She just happened to repeat the standard,"You can't move your boat.", line. We're currently hauled for some major work so I have some time on this.
Since I already have it in writing from the NVDC legal department and confirmed by the USCG guy who tried to find a way around if for me, I'm not going ask someone else until I know what they are going to say. Anita did not say anything different to Pesneld than I have heard before if, I am reading his post correctly. Sure, a state registered boat applying for documentation can continue to operate. We've always known that.
I'm going to try and get the BoatUS government affairs guy who is following this to do that. As you say, it sometimes depends who is asking.
That's how I got into this mess. I asked for it in writing :} I learned long ago not to rely on what I'm told on the phone in a CYA situation. (See Post 83 of this thread.)
Yep...had to testify last fall a couple days before heading to Florida.
And lots of reading on whether insurance companies can deny claims and actually get away with it can almost fill Al Gore's internet.
Sure they can deny...then you sue for coverage...then they realize how weak this argument would be...the boat doesn't even HAVE to be documented....they would probably cover without going past the initial stab.
Bottom line is a bunch of us have ignored it,the system seems to ignore it, no one here has ever heard of a real life issue over it, no one except one seems concerned over it....the real answer (the actual law reference or USCG printed interpretation of it) hasn't been found yet or any reference to it....etc...etc..
WHAT? Then what the heck is the issue?
The more you post the more it seems like you and the CG are in total disconnect.
I got straight and problem solving answers in 10 minutes.
CDR might have helped...but I didn't use it up front and retired takes a lot out of it anyway.
Naw...she was way more PC than I am....
But like using the wrong oil, filter or anchor...fearmongering has become a pastime on TF.
Then it turns into entertainment for those that have not much substantial to offer.
I'm going to try and get the BoatUS government affairs guy who is following this to do that. As you say, it sometimes depends who is asking.
Neeld,
...pet rock....you sure you weren't a cop or a fireman in some life?
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I doubt it...I'll bet he considers all of you part of the brotherhood too...I am a fireman and the missus is a cop so we are not the sharpest knives in the draw. Was that a shot fired across our bow?
Some time ago I asked the BoatUS Government Affairs people if they could try to work on/influence the backlog issue. They expressed no interest. Maybe you will have more success than I did. If ever there were a government problem/policy practice that impacts boaters, this seems to be one.
I think Documentation is still valid.
I am a fireman and the missus is a cop so we are not the sharpest knives in the draw. Was that a shot fired across our bow?
I doubt it...I'll bet he considers all of you part of the brotherhood too...
...I am sure Cuba is going to open up for US cruisers fairly soon and I would not burn the documentation bridge until I know what the requirements are going to be for vessels visiting there.
46CFR67.313(a) The person in command of a documented vessel must have on board that vessel the original Certificate of Documentation currently in effect for that vessel.
46CFR67.315(a) The person in command of a documented vessel must produce the original Certificate of Documentation currently in effect for that vessel upon the demand of any person acting in an official public capacity.
As stated here this has gone way way way (dare I say it?) overboard.
The key to reading the CFR is the words "command of a documented vessel......."
The vessel is NOT yet documented.... Everyone take a deep breath think about a nice place that smells like salt and fish and enjoy. If you are boarded and have a copy of the USCG application and a "travel letter" from the sellers broker you are just fine!
Now, for those still with their panties in a wad, we are at the end of August, we loosing daylight more everyday, CHILL and enjoy the rest of the summer.