texasnielsen
Senior Member
Caveat Lector . . .
With the exception of which anchor sets the best
is there any other thread in any of the categories on TF that illicits such a black and white divide on the forum? (Excluding politics and religion of course).
It seems to me that the opinions, attitudes and perspectives associated with GH reach in to the exclusion zone I just mentioned. This isn't passing judgment on any one person in particular, I am just looking at it from a perspective of human character and what the internet brings out (accommodates) with respect to discussion, discourse and disobedience concerning civility while acknowledging everyone has an opinion and mine isn't necessarily on having to insist that mine is the only correct one. Heck, look at the varying opinions of those we acknowledge as being educated NAs who cannot agree on the science behind what makes the best hull for the purposes of "X" type of boating/sailing and so on.
Such as it were, none of the negatives posted are necessarily untrue. Just as none of the positives that folk have experienced with GH are necessarily an exaggeration.
However, each time I begin to read a new post that is resentful or antagonistic I feel myself slipping in to the mindset I experience when some athlete, actor, etc. starts going off on the P or the R... in other words, they feel the need to offer opinion not necessarily because of their experience with the subject but because they are "X" (X = famous, talented, pretty and so on). In other words, speaking about something that is not about why they may of had my attention to begin with. (I think Dolly Parton said it best; you'll have to look up her quote so I do not misquote her about being an entertainer and not someone else's conscious regarding P & R. And so forth.)
Anyways . . .
Perhaps because we all don't know the extent of the candidly [extensive] backgrounds that many on TF possess (which I personally often do seek out) AND we (thankfully?) don't always know who's pretty and who isn't.
. But we sure don't mind being argumentative with one another. If at times only doing it for the appearances of being so?
The point being this - I suspect Ken knows full well that his products are not everyone's cup of tea. His expereinces, thus far, still have him producing boats now going on decades, not just years, where many, many other boat manufacturers are long gone. Heck, what was I just reading about Brunswick deciding to sell off SeaRay. I just finished bringing back to life a great little McKee Craft. A great boat, but now just a part of history.
So GH isn't going to compete with GB, with NT, with OC, Marlow, and on into infinitudes with trawlers. Who knows how the TT will compete with other factories long term. I would suggest the GH trawlers influence on that part of the market will suggest just how much the TTs will have on that style of boating. I suspect the family running GH is quite content to remain just where they are in the industry.
In acknowledging that GH is a boutique builder in effect, my expectations of what's current on their FB site, what "news" is newly released versus actually old, did they meet this or that deadline is frankly - meh. As in so what. Since I am not looking to buy a TT, have no $$$ invested in GH or as a down payment on a TT, do I really care one way or another with all that there is frankly to chose from in this industry? They not hitting the points that would be important to me if I were "in the market"? Then I will move on to a builder who may be. Not rant r rave about how so and so didn't do this or that relative to MY expectations. (Actually sounds funny typing it out. Hehe).
There is obviously a lot more than just "meh" from many of those following this thread. So to circle around to the top of this soliloquy, I just keep wondering why so much +/- energy when there isn't anything personally tied up with whether or not GH hits deadlines and so on. Unfortunately, theirs would not be the first company to be innovative but not be able to get past nay-saying public opinion to sustain production. From my perspective on the world, I root for the little guy/underdog or handicapped. Obviously not all do.
As they say back home, if ya'all don't have a dog in this fight, why give two with the negativity?
Oh yeah, I have never owned a GH, never met "Ken" or any other family member. I do have an interest in seeing the boating and sailing community remain strong and ever viligent concerning fraudulent behavior, shysters or other nefarious characters. As such, I do not subscribe to the idea that GH is any of the above. Just a group of people doing what they enjoy, make a living doing it and sharing the outcomes of their endeavors. Thankfully we have many choices as to how to spend our own dough. So I say cheers to those who continue to try and extend boundaries, create new products and provide me with comforts I couldn't otherwise think of or produce myself.
Happy boating folks.
With the exception of which anchor sets the best
is there any other thread in any of the categories on TF that illicits such a black and white divide on the forum? (Excluding politics and religion of course). It seems to me that the opinions, attitudes and perspectives associated with GH reach in to the exclusion zone I just mentioned. This isn't passing judgment on any one person in particular, I am just looking at it from a perspective of human character and what the internet brings out (accommodates) with respect to discussion, discourse and disobedience concerning civility while acknowledging everyone has an opinion and mine isn't necessarily on having to insist that mine is the only correct one. Heck, look at the varying opinions of those we acknowledge as being educated NAs who cannot agree on the science behind what makes the best hull for the purposes of "X" type of boating/sailing and so on.
Such as it were, none of the negatives posted are necessarily untrue. Just as none of the positives that folk have experienced with GH are necessarily an exaggeration.
However, each time I begin to read a new post that is resentful or antagonistic I feel myself slipping in to the mindset I experience when some athlete, actor, etc. starts going off on the P or the R... in other words, they feel the need to offer opinion not necessarily because of their experience with the subject but because they are "X" (X = famous, talented, pretty and so on). In other words, speaking about something that is not about why they may of had my attention to begin with. (I think Dolly Parton said it best; you'll have to look up her quote so I do not misquote her about being an entertainer and not someone else's conscious regarding P & R. And so forth.)
Anyways . . .
Perhaps because we all don't know the extent of the candidly [extensive] backgrounds that many on TF possess (which I personally often do seek out) AND we (thankfully?) don't always know who's pretty and who isn't.
. But we sure don't mind being argumentative with one another. If at times only doing it for the appearances of being so? The point being this - I suspect Ken knows full well that his products are not everyone's cup of tea. His expereinces, thus far, still have him producing boats now going on decades, not just years, where many, many other boat manufacturers are long gone. Heck, what was I just reading about Brunswick deciding to sell off SeaRay. I just finished bringing back to life a great little McKee Craft. A great boat, but now just a part of history.
So GH isn't going to compete with GB, with NT, with OC, Marlow, and on into infinitudes with trawlers. Who knows how the TT will compete with other factories long term. I would suggest the GH trawlers influence on that part of the market will suggest just how much the TTs will have on that style of boating. I suspect the family running GH is quite content to remain just where they are in the industry.
In acknowledging that GH is a boutique builder in effect, my expectations of what's current on their FB site, what "news" is newly released versus actually old, did they meet this or that deadline is frankly - meh. As in so what. Since I am not looking to buy a TT, have no $$$ invested in GH or as a down payment on a TT, do I really care one way or another with all that there is frankly to chose from in this industry? They not hitting the points that would be important to me if I were "in the market"? Then I will move on to a builder who may be. Not rant r rave about how so and so didn't do this or that relative to MY expectations. (Actually sounds funny typing it out. Hehe).
There is obviously a lot more than just "meh" from many of those following this thread. So to circle around to the top of this soliloquy, I just keep wondering why so much +/- energy when there isn't anything personally tied up with whether or not GH hits deadlines and so on. Unfortunately, theirs would not be the first company to be innovative but not be able to get past nay-saying public opinion to sustain production. From my perspective on the world, I root for the little guy/underdog or handicapped. Obviously not all do.
As they say back home, if ya'all don't have a dog in this fight, why give two
with the negativity?Oh yeah, I have never owned a GH, never met "Ken" or any other family member. I do have an interest in seeing the boating and sailing community remain strong and ever viligent concerning fraudulent behavior, shysters or other nefarious characters. As such, I do not subscribe to the idea that GH is any of the above. Just a group of people doing what they enjoy, make a living doing it and sharing the outcomes of their endeavors. Thankfully we have many choices as to how to spend our own dough. So I say cheers to those who continue to try and extend boundaries, create new products and provide me with comforts I couldn't otherwise think of or produce myself.
Happy boating folks.
