In regards to the blistering issue. Early Great Harbours (prior to 2005) had polyester resin standard, with vinylester resin barrier coats as an extra cost option. Obviously, the only boats with blisters would be the polyester boats. As far as I know, only a few were built without the extra-cost vinylester barrier coats. Vicksburg is one of them, of course. All boats built since 2005 (and maybe somewhat earlier - I started with the company in '05) have the vinylester standard. I have never heard of any blistering on these boats. If you contact Mirage about a specific early boat, they can probably check the records and tell you whether it got the vinylester or not.
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Does any one know the dimensions of the Main Salon for the GH 37 and GH 47?
Still looking for an opportunity to tour a GH.
Still looking for an opportunity to tour a GH.
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VelocityVR,
I measured at the front wall of the salon from side to side and it is 14'1" and from the back salon wall to the front wall it measures 10'10". Our boat is a GH47.
I measured at the front wall of the salon from side to side and it is 14'1" and from the back salon wall to the front wall it measures 10'10". Our boat is a GH47.
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Any idea which model he'll be showing, Henry?
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Henry D
Thank you for taking the time to measure. Amazing, we have a 14 x 10 area rug wth two recliners at one end. Nice to get a sense of the salon space. My kids are in town next weekend.
Thanks again!
Thank you for taking the time to measure. Amazing, we have a 14 x 10 area rug wth two recliners at one end. Nice to get a sense of the salon space. My kids are in town next weekend.
Thanks again!
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Larry,
My understanding is that Ken will have a N47 at the Annapolis Power Boat Show. I am hoping he will have more information about the new trailerable trawler he is designing.
My understanding is that Ken will have a N47 at the Annapolis Power Boat Show. I am hoping he will have more information about the new trailerable trawler he is designing.
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Did Vicksburg finally sell? Didn't see it on YW today.
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Looking forward to Riviera Beach and participating in the boat buying class with Reuben and Ken.
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Anyone know if there will be any GH's or N's that might be available for a tour at Trawlerfest in Riveria Beach. I'll be down there Friday and Saturday. Thanks!
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It is possible but not likely as there wasn't one last year. The link below has a list of boats currently scheduled to be shown but you need to keep checking it because as we get closer to Trawlerfest, they add or remove boats. Click on the "Water"" tab in the link.
TrawlerFest-Riviera Beach 2016 | | PassageMaker
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Will do! I know there are a few Online for sale but did not want to waste anyone's time since we are still researching and have a few years to go. However, really like the GH.
Also enjoy watching the you tube videos like La Vagabonde and Mondaynever. I can't seem to find any trawler specific videos that compare.
Thanks for the quick response!
Also enjoy watching the you tube videos like La Vagabonde and Mondaynever. I can't seem to find any trawler specific videos that compare.
Thanks for the quick response!
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Yes, I just wish we were a little closer to buying. I look at Salty Dawg Too, Lo Que SE A and Easy all the time. Both SD Too and Lo Que Se A appear to be reasonably priced and in what our price range may be. Hopefully we will have an opportunity to tour one without inconveniencing anyone. SD Too has had a lot of work done to it. I think it would be interesting to talk to the owners of SD Too and compare their Nordhavn and the GH, understanding they are two trawlers built for different environments.
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What are the names of the 47s?
Maybe East Passage, Tranquilty and Vegas Girl?
Maybe East Passage, Tranquilty and Vegas Girl?
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Having watched the video several times, I am often (and shouldn't be) amazed as to what limited efforts individuals go to (don't do?) regarding the matainence of their possessions.
If it sold on the cheap as you've heard, someone hopefully has a beautiful vessel at sea somewhere by now. Perhaps one day we will see a video of the former Vicksburg returned to her previous glory.
Having read all I can find on TF concerning ownership of the GH brand, it's been interesting to note the date stamps on everyone's postings. It appears that most thread are several + years old now.
Even the GH owners forum blogs are similarly aged.
I guess like with fine wine, age can be a good thing I suppose. With thoughts of one day moving on to a GH I want to absorb as much knowledge from other's experiences as I can. Thus I am hoping to continually find and read about recent adventures and experiences.
Having made it past the initial stage of staring at them as one would an accident scene, I've grown very fond of the N47s. Alas my pocketbook will not afford a new hull to be laid up. With production numbers such as they are, I will continue to scour the web watching for when someone's caretaking is complete and they are ready to hand it over to the next sailor.
If it sold on the cheap as you've heard, someone hopefully has a beautiful vessel at sea somewhere by now. Perhaps one day we will see a video of the former Vicksburg returned to her previous glory.
Having read all I can find on TF concerning ownership of the GH brand, it's been interesting to note the date stamps on everyone's postings. It appears that most thread are several + years old now.
Even the GH owners forum blogs are similarly aged.
I guess like with fine wine, age can be a good thing I suppose. With thoughts of one day moving on to a GH I want to absorb as much knowledge from other's experiences as I can. Thus I am hoping to continually find and read about recent adventures and experiences.
Having made it past the initial stage of staring at them as one would an accident scene, I've grown very fond of the N47s. Alas my pocketbook will not afford a new hull to be laid up. With production numbers such as they are, I will continue to scour the web watching for when someone's caretaking is complete and they are ready to hand it over to the next sailor.
We heard at the GHTA meeting that it sold for a crazy low price.
I would say it more than likely sold at market value and nothing crazy low about that. It wasn't worth much so didn't sell for much.
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Recall reading that he walked away after an onsite informal inspection. A lot of delayed maintenance and general neglect of systems, etc.
The owner of what was formerly Vicksburg must have more $$$ than I. Personally, I obtain a lot of personal satisfaction maintaining my property. Be it tools, autos, boats, etc. How you treat "things" around you, be it people or possessions will often determine my interest in a person. We live in a disposable world I guess. Some take that to extremes. Different strokes for different folks as they say.
The owner of what was formerly Vicksburg must have more $$$ than I. Personally, I obtain a lot of personal satisfaction maintaining my property. Be it tools, autos, boats, etc. How you treat "things" around you, be it people or possessions will often determine my interest in a person. We live in a disposable world I guess. Some take that to extremes. Different strokes for different folks as they say.
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Right Marty. I recall his comments about the rust in the engine room. Anybody interested in these boats is probably doing exactly what I do, that is, check in from time to time to see if somehow, an affordable possibility appears. Ever since I took a tour of the boats in Green Cove Springs (thanks to Eric Craft) I've preferred the N-series for its comparatively low profile and huge boson's locker, not to mention it's nearly stand up ER with sea chest, bench & vice, and surperbly organized maintenance access. Vicksburg, the larger GH style, must be about the biggest 37' production pleasure boat ever made, but at the cost of windage and working height in the ER, it's like a bigger, heavier version of my boat. I'd love to see the vessel brought back to it's former glory, as I would that storm damaged N-37 the factory salvaged. Meanwhile, I dream on.
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The comment about Vicksburg selling for a value "less than it was worth" was made at the Great Harbour Trawler Association meeting in April over Docktails. It was said in the context that the source was amazed it sold for so much less than the survey value. I think it was in need of some updates, (but I won't speculate as to the circumstances around the sale since I don't know them), but I often see many great boats sell for less than they were worth especially if they need some work.
The issues that needed to be addressed where not major but needed attention. Several other GHs have sold recently and they have held value very well if they have been properly maintained (like lots of boats). Most GH owners keep their boats for years. If your lucky, every once in a while you can buy one.
One of my past boats that I was able to buy (not a GH) was bought for less than market value simply because the sellers interest at the time was onto something else and the boat was a distraction. He wanted to simplify their life and sell one of his many toys. When I offered what we all knew was much less than it was worth, he thought about and basically said "Screw it, its yours".
It was a happy day for me! Sometimes you in the right place at the right time...
The comment about Vicksburg selling for a value "less than it was worth" was made at the Great Harbour Trawler Association meeting in April over Docktails. It was said in the context that the source was amazed it sold for so much less than the survey value. I think it was in need of some updates, (but I won't speculate as to the circumstances around the sale since I don't know them), but I often see many great boats sell for less than they were worth especially if they need some work.
The issues that needed to be addressed where not major but needed attention. Several other GHs have sold recently and they have held value very well if they have been properly maintained (like lots of boats). Most GH owners keep their boats for years. If your lucky, every once in a while you can buy one.
One of my past boats that I was able to buy (not a GH) was bought for less than market value simply because the sellers interest at the time was onto something else and the boat was a distraction. He wanted to simplify their life and sell one of his many toys. When I offered what we all knew was much less than it was worth, he thought about and basically said "Screw it, its yours".
It was a happy day for me! Sometimes you in the right place at the right time...
The comment about Vicksburg selling for a value "less than it was worth" was made at the Great Harbour Trawler Association meeting in April over Docktails. It was said in the context that the source was amazed it sold for so much less than the survey value. I think it was in need of some updates, (but I won't speculate as to the circumstances around the sale since I don't know them), but I often see many great boats sell for less than they were worth especially if they need some work.
The issues that needed to be addressed where not major but needed attention. Several other GHs have sold recently and they have held value very well if they have been properly maintained (like lots of boats). Most GH owners keep their boats for years. If your lucky, every once in a while you can buy one.
One of my past boats that I was able to buy (not a GH) was bought for less than market value simply because the sellers interest at the time was onto something else and the boat was a distraction. He wanted to simplify their life and sell one of his many toys. When I offered what we all knew was much less than it was worth, he thought about and basically said "Screw it, its yours".
It was a happy day for me! Sometimes you in the right place at the right time...
Market value is The highest price that a buyer would pay and a seller would accept for an item in an open and competitive market. So, if an item is never introduced to that open market, you might purchase it at less than market value. However, once introduced to the market, it doesn't matter how great a deal one thinks they got, it's still market value.
As to "less than they were worth", obviously the market disagrees often. They're worth what a willing buyer will pay a willing seller. You say you often see "many great boats sell for less than they were worth especially if they need some work." No, like this boat, they sell for what they're worth in their current condition which is based on the work that needs to be done.
I know it's just semantics and not an important distinction to most, but saying this boat was worth more just doesn't make sense to me. It was worth what one would pay. All those saying it sold for less than it was worth didn't make an offer at more or they would have bought it. It sat on the market for a long time.
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The following is especially true when discussing GHs.
Beauty, like a good deal, is in the eye of the beholder.
To debate market value in this scenario, be it one mans feeling of having gotten a good deal in their estimation versus another's idea of it sold for what the market would bear is analogous to debating whether bananas on a ship are bad luck.
Is there ever a time when people realize raining on someone else's parade, be it debating hull shapes that isn't your own, single versus twins when you have the opposite, etc. just makes a person appear to be argumentative for the purpose of being argumentative? Raising one's voice or repeating oneself doesn't infer accuracy.
So the bloke who purchased Vicksburg thought he got a good deal. Does one honestly believe that person gives a hoot about anyone else arguing about market value? The definition may be accurate. The opinion of the buyer of the GH in question; I doubt they care. So why should I? Someone has the resources to bring a hull back from what would have been certainly ongoing neglect. I personally am happy for them.
Beauty, like a good deal, is in the eye of the beholder.
To debate market value in this scenario, be it one mans feeling of having gotten a good deal in their estimation versus another's idea of it sold for what the market would bear is analogous to debating whether bananas on a ship are bad luck.
Is there ever a time when people realize raining on someone else's parade, be it debating hull shapes that isn't your own, single versus twins when you have the opposite, etc. just makes a person appear to be argumentative for the purpose of being argumentative? Raising one's voice or repeating oneself doesn't infer accuracy.
So the bloke who purchased Vicksburg thought he got a good deal. Does one honestly believe that person gives a hoot about anyone else arguing about market value? The definition may be accurate. The opinion of the buyer of the GH in question; I doubt they care. So why should I? Someone has the resources to bring a hull back from what would have been certainly ongoing neglect. I personally am happy for them.
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Good point Texas....
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And to add.... Not much more info on the TT35 build. Wonder why that is? Doubt it's because there are no pics of the progress.....
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Yeah I looked pretty hard at Vicksburg. There was some deferred maintenance like the rust all over the engines, some systems like the generator, inverter and others that were totally inop, and quite a few big blisters. Nothing that wasn't fixable, but I just wasn't the right person for that many projects at that point in my life.
Also, we took it for a sea trial on a windy day, and when the thruster failed the captain had some serious difficulty docking the boat and we whacked the dock. I know others handle the GH design fine, but it seemed fairly unwieldily for my limited skills.
Finally, my wife wasn't thrilled with the way the GH looked, so that probably killed it more than anything else.
I like the N series boats more.
Also, we took it for a sea trial on a windy day, and when the thruster failed the captain had some serious difficulty docking the boat and we whacked the dock. I know others handle the GH design fine, but it seemed fairly unwieldily for my limited skills.
Finally, my wife wasn't thrilled with the way the GH looked, so that probably killed it more than anything else.
I like the N series boats more.
