Interesting boats

[Mako]

I think if you're one to take the emotion out of the equation, you're probably not in the market for a 60' wooden boat!

When it comes to assessing the true condition of a boat, and estimating the effort and money required to initially restore/repair her, then absolutely no one should ever let emotions come into the picture.

After you buy they boat, then you get 100% emotional and misty eyed and fall in love with her, but not before.

I made that mistake on a 40 year old steel project boat once, and learned my lesson.

 

[Kit_L]

Hello all,

A question: do the Chung Hwa trawlers share the same hull as the GB 42s?

Have a look at this Chung Hwa: literally everything mechanical and electrical replaced and (thinking Python drives) perhaps improved over the original. The broker assures me that only the hull and roof lining is original (but we all know brokers!).

https://www.boatsonline.com.au/boat...s/chung-hwa-42-in-immaculate-condition/305834

And the broker sent me underwater images, too:

Very interested in anything I can learn about this boat. Its only negative from my POV is no stabilisers. It appears to have small rolling chocks; I have asked the broker, and he will get back to me.

 

[Pascall]

https://youtu.be/NLutRKGOSsQ

 

[BruceK]

Hello all,

A question: do the Chung Hwa trawlers share the same hull as the GB 42s?

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Both are generic SD hulls, but look at the stem, the GB is distinctly far more vertical, they do not share hulls. I can`t say whether that`s good or not, but the hull fwd looks more IG than GB. Looking at the chine recesses fwd the hull could have "wave slap", the Chung Hwa owners should know if it does.
Someone has put a lot of $ into the boat in a full restoration. There was another similarly restored one which I think had a dark blue hull, a year or so back, original Volvo engines,so looks like people think they are worthwhile restoring. Be interesting to know the pre restoration history.

 

[Kit_L]

I want to know that too, BruceK, and hence posting here. It only draws a meter, and my intuition tells me it will roll like a MF. It also looks a bit like that Eliza I we were all talking about on the stability thread. Anyhow, I could go up to Sydney tomorrow and look at it, and certainly the work that has been done looks good. The owner claims it shares the same hull as the GB 42, but let's hear what others say.

 

[Caballero II]

I want to know that too, BruceK, and hence posting here. It only draws a meter, and my intuition tells me it will roll like a MF. It also looks a bit like that Eliza I we were all talking about on the stability thread. Anyhow, I could go up to Sydney tomorrow and look at it, and certainly the work that has been done looks good. The owner claims it shares the same hull as the GB 42, but let's hear what others say.

Naw, I have a GB. Chung Wa has much more bow flare, a higher and rounded bow, and lacks the telltale GB squared bow stem. Not as pretty to my eye, and an over reaction to the potential possibility of the bow burying its bow into bad green water IMO. GB's are narrower at the bow and more likely to slice thru head seas a bit. It's a trawler yacht so you can't avoid rolling in a beam sea. You just avoid them if you're smart, and if you get caught out, the option is to tack upwind or downwind to get home. I'm sure we've all been there from time to time, though we try hard not to.

 

[Kit_L]

We have all been there, @Caballero, and tacking is the only way home, I agree.

 

[BruceK]

Caballero II`s post seems conclusive. It`s no GB hull but both are SD. The owner`s addition of bilge keels supports your concern about rolling. The absence of GB bow design doesn`t mean the boat won`t go through seas rather than over them, Clipper 40s and my Integrity cut through,both have rounded bows, but my IG 36 didn`t, it leapt from wave to wave. 1M draft is fairly common in trawlers. The props look to be above and protected by the keel depth but the rudders don`t.

If you could get a Chung Hwa owner to tell you about the handling that would help. If you can get in touch with the seller, see if you can discover what it was before the major refit. Odd to do all that work and then sell it.

Either way it has to be worth a drive to RPAYC for a look.

 

[sean9c]

Doesn't look like the same hull as a GB

Hello all,

A question: do the Chung Hwa trawlers share the same hull as the GB 42s?

Have a look at this Chung Hwa: literally everything mechanical and electrical replaced and (thinking Python drives) perhaps improved over the original. The broker assures me that only the hull and roof lining is original (but we all know brokers!).

https://www.boatsonline.com.au/boat...s/chung-hwa-42-in-immaculate-condition/305834

And the broker sent me underwater images, too:

Very interested in anything I can learn about this boat. Its only negative from my POV is no stabilisers. It appears to have small rolling chocks; I have asked the broker, and he will get back to me.

 

[Hardscrabble]

Very interesting, to me anyway

https://youtu.be/AVAKogqy_u8?si=hGUXZGEKR1gNe043

 

[phillippeterson]

https://youtu.be/AVAKogqy_u8?si=hGUXZGEKR1gNe043

Very interesting, yes. And affordable - at a price that is less than a new plastic SeaPiper 35 which, by the way, we were in love with as we just started to look at trawlers. Now, though, a used "ship" can often be found at the price of a much smaller new and shiny boat. There's hardly anything we'd buy new unless we found a chest of gold.

 

[Hippocampus]

Have been investigating the Doggersbank 67 by Altena. A old design updated correctly. Truly a RTW boat for a mom and pop team. Their 77 is just magnificent but I think beyond the capabilities of a mom and pop team to cruise stress free. Prefer the 67 as its weight doesn’t preclude service from any yard with a decent travel lift. Berth availability would still be reasonable. One thinks about how big is too big. Realistically think it’s somewhere around 65’. On passage having three + watches makes life good and on occasion with friends or family three staterooms maybe necessary but beyond that you’re into having professional crew and much advanced planning. At around 65’ it’s possible to have enough stores and range as to be self sufficient for prolonged periods. Having lived on a boat find the vast amount of time it’s mom and pop. Regardless of how much you love each other it’s important to have down time away from each other. So even if I had the huge bucks for a big boat with full time crew would opt for ~65’. Don’t want something that’s a full time job. There’s a continuing argument in my mind between LDL and heavy full displacement that’s yet to be resolved. But if going heavy FD much to favor steel with modern coatings and construction techniques over grp. Think the current refinements of the doggersbank concept is a premier example of steel.
https://www.doggersbank.com/doggersbank-67-offshore

 

[long-cours.62]

I want to the Doggerbank websute and take à look at the 67'
I am surprises to the "only" 2500nm autonome at 7.5kts with 9800 liter diesel tank ?
I don't find the displacment ?
23 year ago we had à smaller Doggerbank
17.80 x 5.03 it is the idéal size for us

 

[Hippocampus]

Believe you can change tankage. Would want 3000-3500 nm range at 7.5kts. How did you handle through hulls? Standpipes?manifolds? Sea chest? Or Marelon?

 

[phillippeterson]

Have been investigating the Doggersbank 67 by Altena. A old design updated correctly. Truly a RTW boat for a mom and pop team. Their 77 is just magnificent but I think beyond the capabilities of a mom and pop team to cruise stress free. Prefer the 67 as its weight doesn’t preclude service from any yard with a decent travel lift. Berth availability would still be reasonable. One thinks about how big is too big. Realistically think it’s somewhere around 65’. On passage having three + watches makes life good and on occasion with friends or family three staterooms maybe necessary but beyond that you’re into having professional crew and much advanced planning. At around 65’ it’s possible to have enough stores and range as to be self sufficient for prolonged periods. Having lived on a boat find the vast amount of time it’s mom and pop. Regardless of how much you love each other it’s important to have down time away from each other. So even if I had the huge bucks for a big boat with full time crew would opt for ~65’. Don’t want something that’s a full time job. There’s a continuing argument in my mind between LDL and heavy full displacement that’s yet to be resolved. But if going heavy FD much to favor steel with modern coatings and construction techniques over grp. Think the current refinements of the doggersbank concept is a premier example of steel.
https://www.doggersbank.com/doggersbank-67-offshore

I want to the Doggerbank websute and take à look at the 67'
I am surprises to the "only" 2500nm autonome at 7.5kts with 9800 liter diesel tank ?
I don't find the displacment ?
23 year ago we had à smaller Doggerbank
17.80 x 5.03 it is the idéal size for us

Believe you can change tankage. Would want 3000-3500 nm range at 7.5kts. How did you handle through hulls? Standpipes?manifolds? Sea chest? Or Marelon?

Wow!! That Doggersbank (hitherto unknown to us) is gorgeous.

 

[Pascall]

https://youtu.be/hfTOOWf7Iqc?si=g9xNOmkwBbay8h_-

 

[long-cours.62]

My interrogation is only for the autonomy
9800 lt for 2500nm (even with, said, 10% reserve) it means 3.53 lt per nm it still be 76,5% more than our actual boat...
It is why I ask to know the displacelent of this Doggerbank.
To make this hudge différence the displacement must be xxl 80 t ? 90 T ? Because when we ask the question : too big or not too big" don't forêt one another paramétrer : too heavy or not ?
For example our Long-cours.62 was 18.25 lwl, the à tual 19.30 lwl but différence in weight is 28 T (60-32).
It make big différence in all aspect + in consumption
LC62 at 8,25 kts 1.30 lt per nm
Pacific 72 at 7,5 kts 2 lt per nm

 

[Hippocampus]

Thanks LC clear thinking

Have not reached out to Atlena to answer your question. But assume she is quite heavy. Being so extremely heavy even with a Al top would have some benefits but also mean (if space is available) adding additional bunker would be a smaller %age of total displacement and have less effect on wetted surface, stability and ride. My understanding is these are semi custom boats. I’m not in the market for it at present so reluctant to contact the builder. But still think adding range is likely possible.

 

[BruceK]

Posted for no reason other than the underwater design though, it looks a very nice well maintained boat that has been some interesting places.
https://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/power-boats/high-seas-64-explorer/300257

 

[Kit_L]

And nice rolling chocks, too. Lovely.

 

[Benthic2]

Here's a 2013 Diesel Duck with only 730 hours for $149k. It looks immaculate!

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2013-diesel-duck-40-5950323/

 

[mvweebles]

Here's a 2013 Diesel Duck with only 730 hours for $149k. It looks immaculate!

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2013-diesel-duck-40-5950323/

This DD has been for sale for a while, presumably because it's wood and located in Chicago which probably isn't the best place to sell a boet like this. On the plus side guessing she's been stored in a heated shed for the winters and is fresh water kept so is likely close to new condition.

Gotta love the DDs....

Peter

 

[Kit_L]

Wow. I really love that DD. Perhaps I should fly over...

 

[Hippocampus]

Think the 46’ DD with a ketch rig is the pick of the litter done in steel. Hear QA may have gone down in recent years according to an owner trying to sell an earlier version. We were interested in buying that boat but thought it overpriced. Between that, limited resale in the US and moving it from west coast to east it didn’t make sense. Still really like the troller design.
A nice example
https://yachthub.com/list/boats-for...sel-duck-46-2-long-range-motor-cruiser/267046

 

[Mako]

This DD has been for sale for a while, presumably because it's wood and located in Chicago which probably isn't the best place to sell a boet like this.

That is a cute boat. Interesting that they decided to carvel plank instead of cold molded (laminated ply with fiberglass). Since it's Doug fir, pickling in salt water instead of a Great Lake would be preferred.


IMO it's been for sale for awhile because the price is too high. That's why they call it "the bottom line."

 

[Delfin]

Sydney, Oz

Built in 1888, the gold standard of boat maintenance triumph.

 

[Serene]

[SNIP]

A nice example
https://yachthub.com/list/boats-for...sel-duck-46-2-long-range-motor-cruiser/267046

This one has been for sale for a long time too. But it is nice, if you want to ocean cross rather than cruise the islands in the tropics.

 

[darkside]

I had a quick chat to these guys in Whangaroa this year. The bridgedecker has been in the same family for 106 years.

 

[mvweebles]

Think the 46’ DD with a ketch rig is the pick of the litter done in steel. Hear QA may have gone down in recent years according to an owner trying to sell an earlier version. We were interested in buying that boat but thought it overpriced. Between that, limited resale in the US and moving it from west coast to east it didn’t make sense. Still really like the troller design.
A nice example
https://yachthub.com/list/boats-for...sel-duck-46-2-long-range-motor-cruiser/267046

Not sure Quality Assurance was topnotch in the early years. Like almost all builders (including Willard after about 1974 or so), Seahorse is a construction company who's principals and workforce have limited expertise in using cruising boats. It's one of the reasons I respect PAE/Nordhavn - PAE principals have a decent resume of cruising, and they cultivate a strong owner group who actively contribute to the improvements.

The DDs are perhaps the most affordable ocean crossing boats out there, though sail assist is a marginal replacement for a get home engine - sail is more of a "get somewhere" vs "get home." That said, it will reduce fuel burn considerably.

For my tastes, there are significant compromises in utility in the DD design. Getting on and off any boat with an aft stateroom is a challenge - a cockpit extension is really helpful not just for access, but for fishing and dinghy launch. The DD is better suited for cooler climate of PNW than the tropics.

But if you want to cross oceans, it's a contender. Not sure Buehler isn't rolling in his grave that his boats are fetching over $500k given his common-msn approach to trollers

Peter

 

[Mako]

I appreciate @Weeble's comments and want to add (all of this is IMO of course):

- I cannot comment on the Seahorse shipyard, having only had conversations with Stella but had not visited. However, the 2nd most popular shipyard for DD construction is Asboat in Turkey, who I did visit and discussed builds. Regarding to QA/QC, their carpentry was absolutely top notch. However their steelwork was so under par that I walked away. Actually, the other thing that made we walk was that I asked them to build me a DD to a workboat finish, not a yacht, but their price barely quivered.

- Regarding to sail is more of a "get somewhere" vs "get home" that is accurate and was specifically George Buehler's intention. The truth is that mechanical diesels are so reliable and so easy to keep going, generally just related to keeping your fuel pure, that few ever need get home home power. Just ask Richard on Dauntless about his position on this matter and he crossed the Atlantic. George's philosophy with sail assist was that it is better be moving downwind at 1 knot than to be sitting dead in the water. Personally I agree with this and today's get-home engines are generally so over powered that they could literally act as the prime movers.

- Agree about the limited utility of a DD design. I'm not a flybridge guy and there was no visually-acceptable way to have a hard covered deck, an outside covered "patio" if you will, which would suit my wife and I. Also, even looking at big 60ft versions I could barely get the interior layout to suit us. I was under contract to buy Ellemaid (Hooligan) in Singapore, the big 70 footer. But even at that gigantic size it still suffered these same problems, plus it was a true motorsailer ketch, not a get-home sail assist.

- Yes, the DDs were originally intended to be affordable, practical cruisers which any man could build and afford. They are wonderful designs, if they suit you.