It's Amazing What You Can Sometime See...

[menzies]

Friend of mine took his boat up the St John's river..... He was able travel only so far before he was contacted via VHF and told, in no uncertain terms, Turn around.

The St John's is a major commercial waterway so unless there were special rules in place in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 he should have been fine.

However they do get very nervous if you pass too close to the security boom on the south side of the river by the naval base.

(Plus he probably went down the river not up! )

 

[Northern Spy]

Sailing through Block Island Sound on the Vineyard Race in 1984 we had a 637 class surface a little too close for comfort.

Little did I know how tough sailboats are to detect until I was crew on a sub a few years later.

 

[psneeld]

The actual exclusion zone is 100 yards. Between 101 and 500 yards is steerage speed only.

However yesterday they were pretty clear "stay clear 500 yards and do not cross our bow." I don't think that would have been the time to discuss semantics!

https://dnnlgwick.blob.core.windows.net/portals/0/NWCDepartments/Stockton%20Center%20International%20Law/2013-Zones-Manual.pdf?sr=b&si=DNNFileManagerPolicy&sig=sWrSUKeqZaEKhaVvWPx0bCSByt6FQnC6k3YHkszLx9I%3D



All vessels within a naval vessel protection zone shall operate at the minimum speed necessary to maintain a safe course, unless required to maintain speed by the Navigation Rules (Rules of the Road), and shall proceed as directed by the Coast Guard, the senior naval officer present in command, or an official patrol. No vessel within the naval vessel protection zone is allowed within 100 yards of a large United States naval vessel unless authorized by the Coast Guard, the senior navy officer present in command, or the official patrol.


True that you can proceed in the zone, technically you should be talking to them....but usually they wont do anything, or call you, unless you alter course in anyway towards the naval vessel...at that point you go "hot".

 

[OldDan1943]

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How far up river??????

Once past Mayport and the repair facility at Sisters Creek, why would the Navy care about water activities? Unless there was a temporary security zone?????

NAS Jax could care less.

LOL I think his plan was to go up the river until they said stop. He succeeded.
It is the home port for a sub repair facility.
They might be more particular if there are subs in port.
Port of Miami, cant get close ships. 1/2 of the cut is closed to recreational boaters.

 

[psneeld]

LOL I think his plan was to go up the river until they said stop. He succeeded.
It is the home port for a sub repair facility.
They might be more particular if there are subs in port.
Port of Miami, cant get close ships. 1/2 of the cut is closed to recreational boaters.

St Johns or St Mary's (Georgia) river where the OP picture was taken?

 

[OldDan1943]

St Johns or St Mary's (Georgia) river where the OP picture was taken?

To be honest, I dont know. I just stay away from everything that is big, gray or black. Of course, I stay away from those with guns too.

 

[RT Firefly]

Greetings,
Mr. OD. Re: Post #22. "If you are attacked..." Now who would ever attack Canada? The last time someone tried, it didn't go so well for the invaders...

 

[OldDan1943]

Greetings,
Mr. OD. Re: Post #22. "If you are attacked..." Now who would ever attack Canada? The last time someone tried, it didn't go so well for the invaders...

I do know your navy aint too great. Not too many years ago, they were sending a couple of ships to the war zone. One broke down and had to be towed home. The other ship, I'm not sure it made it.
Your navy is designed to be coastal, not blue water.

"As of 2017, the Royal Canadian Navy operates 12 frigates, 4 attack submarines, 12 coastal defence vessels and 8 patrol/training vessels, as well as several auxiliary vessels. The Royal Canadian Navy consists of 8,500 Regular Force and 5,100 Primary Reserve sailors, supported by 5,300 civilians."

Per the subs, one on west coast, one on the east coast, one training sub, dont know about the 4th.

 

[bnoft]

I sent the pic to a cruising friend of ours who spent his professional life on submarines. I got back a quick, "it's out of Kings Bay".

 

[OldDan1943]

Greetings,
Mr. OD. Re: Post #22. "If you are attacked..." Now who would ever attack Canada? The last time someone tried, it didn't go so well for the invaders...

That was back when everyone had black powder muskets?

 

[OldDan1943]

I sent the pic to a cruising friend of ours who spent his professional life on submarines. I got back a quick, "it's out of Kings Bay".

When I was in subs, Kings Bay did not exist. It was Charleston SC.
BIG training center there.

 

[Benthic2]

I suspect the USS Cole incident had more to do with the protection zones around navy vessels than 9/11

 

[Andy G]

This gives me a chance to post my all time favourite youTube video.

https://youtu.be/brNX4xqlXJE

 

[catalinajack]

DDG-1000 (Zumwalt) two days after she was commissioned in Baltimore. Pics taken as she was approching the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. We were idling just out of the channel. The Coasties came close aboard to check us out. They sped off after asking us what our max speed was. When they heard eight knots, off they went.

 

[BobMc]

Next time you see a sub above the surface like that check your radar! You won't see anything as a return. Tested that several times going through Norfolk when subs were underway arriving or departing.

 

[menzies]

Next time you see a sub above the surface like that check your radar! You won't see anything as a return. Tested that several times going through Norfolk when subs were underway arriving or departing.

My brother was a RN submariner. They once came into Port Canaveral and we got the tour. One of the things we learned is that the "skin" on the sub is actually made up of blocks of the same rubber material that they put on record turntables - to isolate the needle pick up from noise.

 

[OldDan1943]

Next time you see a sub above the surface like that check your radar! You won't see anything as a return. Tested that several times going through Norfolk when subs were underway arriving or departing.

Sounds like an interesting potential court case.

 

[rgano]

A perfect target for an RPG?

No fuel

 

[OldDan1943]

My brother was a RN submariner. They once came into Port Canaveral and we got the tour. One of the things we learned is that the "skin" on the sub is actually made up of blocks of the same rubber material that they put on record turntables - to isolate the needle pick up from noise.

I do believe we learned that from a Russian sub we attempted to salvage. All we got was the fwd part of the sub. The bodies of the Russian sailors were ceremonially returned to Russia.
Personally, I would think that rubber might still be classified and shouldn't be discussed.
I was on subs during the 60s, we didn't discuss anything outside of the family of submariners. Neither confirm nor deny. There was a time when even ship movement was never discussed publicly

 

[sunchaser]

In 1955 we were cruising in our family's power boat just north of the SF Bay Bridge when the Nautilus did a "whale jump" about 1/4 mile in front of us. That was one impressive sight for a young kid. A few years later my wife to be was working in Rickover's office in DC. She has some fascinating no longer classified stories of him and his group.

 

[OldDan1943]

In 1955 we were cruising in our family's power boat just north of the SF Bay Bridge when the Nautilus did a "whale jump" about 1/4 mile in front of us. That was one impressive sight for a young kid. A few years later my wife to be was working in Rickover's office in DC. She has some fascinating no longer classified stories of him and his group.

Rickover is considered to be the father of the nuclear navy. He was a bit quirky but, nothing got passed him.

 

[OldDan1943]

In 1955 we were cruising in our family's power boat just north of the SF Bay Bridge when the Nautilus did a "whale jump" about 1/4 mile in front of us. That was one impressive sight for a young kid. A few years later my wife to be was working in Rickover's office in DC. She has some fascinating no longer classified stories of him and his group.

When you see the book when the SSN 571 went to the north pole, under the ice, you will see a reproduction of chart. You will notice a date written on it. that is the birthday of Ernest Frank Holland. LOL No longer is a secret. Frank also carved the stamp to cancel the stamps when the crossed under the pole. I sailed with Frank on the SSB 627. Years later I would visit him when I drove to FL.... He gave me a copy of the cancelling stamp. I am proud of that.
I dug around and got copy of the log of when the Nautilus went to the north pole. Alas, I did not get it in time to present it to Frank. I gave it to the family.
The crew members who wanted to, were called forward to sign the log too.

Frank was a member of the commissioning crew of the 571 and the 627.

Sorry, I got off subject. (hanging head in shame)

 

[rgano]

A perfect target for an RPG?

No fuel

 

[menzies]

When you see the book when the SSN 571 went to the north pole, under the ice, you will see a reproduction of chart. You will notice a date written on it. that is the birthday of Ernest Frank Holland. LOL No longer is a secret. Frank also carved the stamp to cancel the stamps when the crossed under the pole. I sailed with Frank on the SSB 627. Years later I would visit him when I drove to FL.... He gave me a copy of the cancelling stamp. I am proud of that.
I dug around and got copy of the log of when the Nautilus went to the north pole. Alas, I did not get it in time to present it to Frank. I gave it to the family.
The crew members who wanted to, were called forward to sign the log too.

Frank was a member of the commissioning crew of the 571 and the 627.

Sorry, I got off subject. (hanging head in shame)

Brother's HMS Turbulent and HMS Superb, North Pole 1988, with a Nimrod from 206 squadron doing a fly-by.

 

[silentfaith]

Speaking of the 60s when I was 17 a bunch of us took a boat about 12 miles offshore of Pompano Beach loaded with beer and guns (22 rifle was mine) so we shot the empty beer cans as target practice. All of a sudden a us sub raised about 100 yards from us and the Captain chewed us out for shooting our guns.
We just about crapped our pants, I guess the noise from the guns could be heard from sonar and the Capt. wanted to find out what the hell was going on.

 

[bykpjfk]

Friends crossing to the Bahamas from Stuart were hailed by ? and told to change course. He didn't believe they were addressing him, so continued. A few moments later they called him by his boat name and told him to change course NOW. Never saw or heard anyone around except for the radio. Kinda wierd out there.
If you are in the southern tongue of the ocean off Andros when the Navy is doing acoustical testing, you WILL be escorted out of the area.

 

[menzies]

Speaking of the 60s when I was 17 a bunch of us took a boat about 12 miles offshore of Pompano Beach loaded with beer and guns (22 rifle was mine) so we shot the empty beer cans as target practice. All of a sudden a us sub raised about 100 yards from us and the Captain chewed us out for shooting our guns.
We just about crapped our pants, I guess the noise from the guns could be heard from sonar and the Capt. wanted to find out what the hell was going on.

Hmmm, apart from being a warship, wonder what authority he had to tell you to not use a gun 12 miles offshore?

 

[OldDan1943]

Hmmm, apart from being a warship, wonder what authority he had to tell you to not use a gun 12 miles offshore?

YOU tell the Captain of a sub, go to hell. Not me.

 

[psneeld]

Ot sure the Navy has authority to tell you to stop anything offshore other than approaching a naval vessel.

Now if they have SEALs onboard.....yeah...no argument from me....

 

[menzies]

YOU tell the Captain of a sub, go to hell. Not me.

He works on a sub, he's already there!