windmill29130
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Anchors are like azz holes, everybody has one, but mine doesn't stink!
Yes, which is why we now have a rollbar anchor and the Bruce is residing in an Oregon landfill (which is where King County, WA sends most of its garbage these days).
I don't agree with that. I believe that technique and type are equally important. Putting the emphasis on technique is like being an excellent Formula 1 driver and trying to win a race with a Yugo. Putting the emphasis on type is like giving a Formula 1 Ferrari to a teenager with a learner's permit and expecting him or her to win the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
In my opinion anchoring a boat successfully time after time is no different than doing anything else successfully time after time. It requires the best tool for the job, and it requires using that tool the correct way.
Seems to me the only difference is technique.
You had a problem with your bruce, on several occasions it seems.
I on the other hand have used Bruce anchors of various sizes, on several boats, in a variety of sea beds, for a very long time, and never had a problem.
Seems to me the only difference is technique.
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... and the bottom,
... and the conditions,
... and one's definition of success vs problem,
... and the boat itself, steady eddy vs wondering while on hook,
... and more.
Kevin---
I would agree with you but......
We use exactly the same technique for setting the rollbar anchor today as we used with the Bruce in the past. The same boat, the same places, in the same bottoms, under the same conditions. There have been only two differences.
One, the rollbar anchor sets the moment it starts being pulled on and it sets hard and it sets fast. As opposed to the Bruce which always had to drag along a bit on the bottom before it caught, dug in and set.
Two, the rollbar anchor has never dragged (yet), even in the same locations, same bottoms, with stronger winds and bigger waves than we had when we experienced dragging with the Bruce.
We do not believe in short-scope anchoring, and always use a minimum ratio of 5:1 and more often 7:1. This was as true with the Bruce as it is today with the rollbar anchor. The all-chain rode we use today is the same one we used with the Bruce.
The windlass is different but like fish and a fishing reel, the anchor has no clue when it's on the bottom what kind of windlass it's attached to.
So... after one too many instances of the Bruce letting us down by not holding (don't know why were were surprised, every anchor test on the planet puts the Bruce at or near the bottom of the list in terms of holding power) we went in search of a better anchor.
To say we found one is an understatement.
So to us, the same technique in the same boat in the same places under the same conditions with same rode and the same ratio with an anchor that was prone to dragging and an anchor that isn't tells us that the anchor that was prone to dragging has rightfully earned its place in the landfill. May it rest in peace.
No!
If it sucked so bad then guess what... Everybody would throw them away.
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1. Ok, I moved it. But I don`t think the issue is geographical. Let`s hope we can have an anchor thread that doesn`t end in tears. Discussing "penetration" is a good distraction.
2. I`m coming to the view that good technique for a Super Sarca (and probably related designs) involves a power set to drive it in. Comments?
The only think I can think of, is perhaps your anchor is not of adequate size to penetrate the substrate, and achieve the desired performance.
What size anchor did you have anyway?
manyboats;327074 How many times have you said this? And how many times have you left out the huge difference that your Rocna is 44# and your old Bruce 33#.[/QUOTE said:WHOA!!!!
A 42' boat using a 20 kg (33 lb) Bruce???
No wonder it didn't hold! Thats the same size anchor I had on my 28' 7,000 pound boat!
Now the story comes out. The problem isn't the anchor. Its whomever chose the wrong size anchor thats at fault!
Now the story comes out. The problem isn't the anchor. Its whomever chose the wrong size anchor thats at fault!
WHOA!!!!
A 42' boat using a 20 kg (33 lb) Bruce???
This entire thread should be in anchoring, not General.
No, all anchoring discussions needs to move to "Off the Deep End". That's where it always ends up.
We don't have a 42' boat. Our boat in Europe is 45' (with a real anchor on it, I might add). But our PNW boat is 36'
We use exactly the same technique for setting the rollbar anchor today as we used with the Bruce in the past. The same boat, the same places, in the same bottoms, under the same conditions. There have been only two differences.
One, the rollbar anchor sets the moment it starts being pulled on and it sets hard and it sets fast. As opposed to the Bruce which always had to drag along a bit on the bottom before it caught, dug in and set.
But I have no doubt that a 36 ft GB is much heavier than my 34 Californian. Maybe higher windage, too. With such poor performance on the GB, it sounds like a bad case of undersized ground tackle to me, too.
Dragging it across the sea floor until it appears to set does not get a good deep set in many types of bottoms. Letting the Bruce settle in on its own has worked very well for me.