Maerin
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Curious what full time live-a-boards do with visiting/returning adult children.
Part of the reason we sold the house. If there's no house, they can't come back. EZPZ
Curious what full time live-a-boards do with visiting/returning adult children.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. At this point, 90% of poll participants have a positive opinion of living aboard full time. 80% of those people have actual first hand experience living aboard.
I'm surprised to see such a high percentage with a favorable view. I thought there would be more naysayers.
To answer some questions asked of me, I'm single and don't have any pets. I'm not in danger of being in a relationship any time soon, and there are no children in my future. I really don't have much keeping me in my current location except inertia. I've lived in this area my whole life, and I've been in this house for 10 years now.
When I talk to people in person about wanting to live aboard, they all think I'm crazy. 'Why would you want to do that??' they ask. 'What are you gonna do all day??' 'You mean you'll have to pump out your poop tank?' 'What do you mean you won't have a car? How could you possibly live without a car??'
Just about every one of them has told me to just get a boat and keep the house, or to buy a second house, or to buy a house on the water somewhere. My father keeps telling me that I should buy a giant diesel truck and a trailerable boat and take it around that way. It's really difficult to explain to people why I'm not interested in any of those options. I don't want MORE things to take care of. Living aboard is just such an alien concept to so many people. They just can't understand it. The idea of selling my house is as shocking to them as if I wanted to remove my nipples with a cheese grater, and replace them with beehives.
Part of the reason we sold the house. If there's no house, they can't come back. EZPZ
Keep in mind that you can't take this group as reflective of all who have tried it. Those for whom it was a miserable failure are not likely here.
This is definitely something I've considered. I would love to interview 100 people that tried it and quit. I'd love to know what went wrong and be able to learn from their experiences. I haven't been able to find too many of those people, though. I suspect it's a pretty high percentage of those who try it.
As someone who doesn't "live aboard" but spends 8 months a year cruising and 9 months on boats, it's a question that brings real thought. We have boat land and water homes. We don't have to choose one or the other. What would we do if we had to? Would it be live on land and own a smaller boat for local boating or live full time on a boat?
Living aboard for us requires certain conveniences. Others are trying to escape the things we don't want to give up. Space and head room is very important. I am tall and couldn't live in a situation I couldn't stand up straight. Both indoor and outdoor cooking ability. Then come the things many could do without but washer/dryer, dishwasher, and satellite tv and internet are important to you. I think you need to address what you would really miss if you had to give it up. You may have noticed several couples had to move up in size. Size provides the ability for more items that aren't absolute necessities but important to people.
I've spent a lot of time and soul searching in this department. I'm not particularly tall, in fact I'm a very average 5'10, so I've never met a boat that was too short. I am quite a portly chap, though, so I have met some that are too narrow. As far as creature comforts, I don't have (or miss) cable, so that would be no great loss. I can happily get my connection through cell providers, and since I don't plan to stray too far from the coast, I expect to have reasonable coverage, though I know there will be areas without. I don't love washing dishes, but that's certainly not any kind of obstacle. I think the things that I would miss most would be having lots of hot water, and a washer and dryer. Both of which can be fitted to the sort of boats I'd want.
It seemed to me in your initial post there were two benefits you were excited about. First, was living on a boat. Second, was getting out of cold winters. Getting away from the winters doesn't mean you have to live on a boat.
I guess it's more that I see myself wasting a lot of my time in a situation or environment that tends to make me unhappy, when I could be doing something that makes me happy. I love cruising. I don't have anywhere near as much experience as you, or in fact most people here, but I've done a pretty fair amount. Enough to know that It's my favorite way to spend my time. It combines my all of my favorite interests, travel/exploring new places, and boats.
Many have maintained their land home, renting it for two reasons. One, to allow them to be sure living aboard is right for them. The other doesn't apply as much at your age and that is to have a home to come back to at retirement from boating time.
Another consideration is will you miss family and current friends. What will you miss most in relocation whether land or water?
I think this has traditionally been part of the reason that I've never moved away to greener pastures. The vast majority of my family lives within 20 miles of me, and that's comforting. At this point, though, it's much less of a consideration. My father now lives in Florida. Almost all of my friends live out of state, or will be within the next few years. My sister is married and has a life of her own now, and I'm away from home for 5-7 months a year for work anyway. So I've gotten used to going long periods without seeing friends and family.
Actually, part of the reason I like the snowbird cruising idea is so that I can spend the summers back in the north with family. I'd also be able to offer them the occasional trip to warmer climes to visit me during the winter, which is nice.
It's not the same as living aboard but I'd still try chartering a boat in the size range you're considering and trying to visualize and think of what you do miss on it. Think of space. To me just assuming you're moving from a typical 3 bedroom home, how much do you use and for what do you use the 2nd and 3rd bedrooms. If you have a living and family room and two dining areas will you miss that at all? Most of us have some spaces in our homes we'd be fine without but others that we'd very much miss. Maybe even walk yourself through getting rid of stuff and figuring out how to get down to what would fit on a boat.
This is another subject I've considered many times. The idea of downsizing is one that really appeals to me. I have a 1300 square foot three bedroom house at the moment, and I don't use the vast majority of it. I have an office upstairs that I use once or twice a month, which could be replaced by a laptop and a binder. I have a guest bedroom that just turns into a place where my dad tends to overstay his welcome several times a year. I have a dining room I use once in a blue moon, an attic I haven't even looked into in a year, and a basement that's mostly empty. The two car garage is nothing more than a catch all for all of the nonsense I wouldn't need any more if I didn't have a house. The car, the lawnmower, the patio furniture, the snowblower, blahhh blah blah.
The chartering idea is one I have yet to try, but I fully intend to. Really, it's the closest I'll get to really being able to try it before I buy it.
Then have Plan B. Whether six months or 20 years later if living aboard wasn't working, what would you do? I've known some that they still wouldn't want to live where they were living, so made it easier. Assuming a significant loss on the sale of the boat, could you purchase a home or condo or rent where you'd want to be?
I guess this has been my main stumbling block. I didn't think twice about buying a house because... well... you're supposed to, right? The thought of giving up the safety net makes me nervous. In the end, though, even If I was left with no money at all at the end of it, I'm still relatively young, I still have a good job, and I could be back on my feet within a relatively short amount of time. Sure, I like my house, and I'm sure I'll miss it from time to time, but there are others.
For Sale or trade for KK42
Totally redone 1907 four square . Lots of custom wood work . Could throw in a smaller trawler for the right deal
Ha, maybe I need to rethink this ‘small house,big boat’ plan!
All hail the ‘no house, Nordhavn 62’ plan!
There is the third reason - income..
Many have maintained their land home, renting it for two reasons. One, to allow them to be sure living aboard is right for them. The other doesn't apply as much at your age and that is to have a home to come back to at retirement from boating time.
Do not believe that nearly half of "trawler" owners live on their boats. By the way, liveaboards in California are limited to 10 percent of marina berths, and there aren't that many permanent anchor-outs.
Part of the reason we sold the house. If there's no house, they can't come back. EZPZ
Do not believe that nearly half of "trawler" owners live on their boats. By the way, liveaboards in California are limited to 10 percent of marina berths, and there aren't that many permanent anchor-outs.
There is the third reason - income.
While we are managing just fine on the income we purchased over the years, the extra income in rent could come in handy for our upcoming plans.
What I do know is that we both agree that our home represents a sizable apreciating asset. Neither of us are willing to risk that asset, to buy a larger more comfortable boat.
We both recognize that at some point almost all boaters retire from boating. We feel that we need the financial security that a land based home provides. When we retire from boating the boat will be worth a fraction of what we paid for it, while our home is now worth several times what we paid for it decades ago. That home value provides us options in our elderly years that just owning a boat would not provide.
I could be happy as a liveaboard. Having spent my adult life aquiring a home, and possessions, I can see real tranquility in not having to deal with and yes pay to insure and maintain a lifetimes worth of stuff. I do not think I am alone in sometimes thinking I am tied down by our possessions.
All that said, and all those thoughts expressed, I think the idea of freedom from being burdened by possessions (like a house) has a very strong appeal. I will admit that if it were just me, I would choose a cruising lifestyle and make the best of it, and live a life of adventure along the way.
Living aboard is a lot like going "full time" in a Motorhome.
So many factors play into a decision that is your whole lifestyle, that full and complete consideration of them all is difficult.
A bigger boat can work.OK, OK, I said "Liveaboard and love it" here's the dirty truth:
We've been aboard 3 years and have recently started talking about a house. I want a garage, she wants a garden. :
turn the key, push the throttle forward and move out of hurricane zone for those few months.Neither of us wants to fear for our house in the next hurricane.
.I'm sick of always doing boat maintenance,
Sorry if this offends but i have been on boats that stink and they are usually poorly maintained.she's sick of everything breaking and stinking like bilge/diesel/poop/coolant/boat/whatever
OK, OK, I said "Liveaboard and love it" here's the dirty truth:
We've been aboard 3 years and have recently started talking about a house. I want a garage, she wants a garden. Neither of us wants to fear for our house in the next hurricane. I'm sick of always doing boat maintenance, she's sick of everything breaking and stinking like bilge/diesel/poop/coolant/boat/whatever. We go out more than any other boat in our (very tiny) marina. But even that's only 1-2 times a month for a weekend or less at a time.
HOWEVER
We're both terrified of having to buy all that junk you dirt people have (Furniture, beds, TVs, Washer, Dryer, etc, etc, etc), we cannot afford a dirt house with the scenery we wake up and fall asleep to, and HOLY MOLY is a good day on the water TOTALLY WORTH IT!
Sorry to continue to muddy the waters of decision making
A bigger boat can work.
Was on a 55ft houseboat yesterday that had chilli tree, pawpaw tree and an extensive herb garden.
It also had a large tool room including MIG welder and all the power tools needed for building in aluminium.
turn the key, push the throttle forward and move out of hurricane zone for those few months.
Its what many do here for cyclone season.
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Always?
And since when have houses been maintenance free?
Sorry if this offends but i have been on boats that stink and they are usually poorly maintained.
If you have a diesel or effluent leak fix it properly and clean up afterwards.
I live on one that doesn't stink and all the live aboard boats I have visited don't stink either.
Maintenance, love and getting on top of things before they break is the answer.
I’m just going to vent for a minute here. Joy and I have been talking this sell out and live aboard thing for a while now , but much more lately. We have an old house that needs constant upkeep and we have always done everything ourselves , whether it’s building a house , rebuilding a house , reworking a boat or whatever. We have this mindset that we can do it all ourselves better and for less money. Just this week while I’m at work Joy has working on a scaffolding scrapping and painting some of our 100 year old wood windows at the house. We’re not old but we ain’t no spring chickens either. I don’t think this madness will ever end. I know our kids would just hire somebody to get this done but no not us we got to do it ourselves.And then there is the boat to try and keep in shape , that’s a whole nother thang. I think we are getting close to having one or the other or at least one that somebody else keeps up. Sorry for the rant but that’s how it is .