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We learn best by analyzing our mistakes assuming we survive and second best by analyzing others. I have learned much by listening to others with more experience. If you have ever been in a life threatening experience and survived you will analyze what you did right and wrong (mostly wrong) over and over again.

True words!

By any definition of the word I WAS an Alaskan Bush pilot. In fact I sold my float plane to fund the purchase of my first ocean going boat.

I cannot count the times that we almost or could have or should have died because of a stupid mistake I made. I only remember the really bad ones. To this day when recounting these my wife says “you did a great job, we lived”, but I do not share her thoughts. She does not know how close we were to crashing, but I do.

Bush pilots that survive learn from their and others mistakes. We do not dispariage the fallen, we learn from their mistakes so that we do not join their ranks.
 
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True words!

By any definition of the word I WAS an Alaskan Bush pilot. In fact I sold my float plane to fund the purchase of my first ocean going boat.

I cannot count the times that we almost or could have or should have died because of a stupid mistake I made. I only remember the really bad ones. To this day when recounting these my wife says “you did a great job, we lived”, but I do not share her thoughts. She does not know how close we were to crashing, but I do.

Bush pilots that survive learn from their and others mistakes. We do not dispariage the fallen, we learn from their mistakes so that we do not join their ranks.


This is as true as it gets. I am also a pilot, and Old Wise Pilot. I often say, "The difference between an Old Wise Piot and a Young Dead pilot is just the luck of the draw....AND some opportune training that didnt seem important at the time."


Old Wise pilots have made ALL the mistakes that killed the Young Dead pilots. just ONCE. The difference was that the survivors became Old Wise Pilots. The survivors were survivors because of one insignificant (at the time) learning event. In my case, learning to fly from a crop duster who learned to fly from Orville Wright and learning to turn on a dime to dust the next row.....or as I actually used it, to escape a box canyon in the fog with my family in a Cessna 170B. One of several insignificant saviors that saved me from a flat spin, VFR on top, take off overloaded at altitude.......and the list goes on....just once.


As I said earlier, we escaped Harvey by 10 hours just because my wife coughed. I heard that cough on Friday morning as she got up and decided that two weeks without a hospital was to much risk and we left.......by car. Had we stayed, she would have died without a hospital.
 
This is as true as it gets. I am also a pilot, and Old Wise Pilot. I often say, "The difference between an Old Wise Piot and a Young Dead pilot is just the luck of the draw....AND some opportune training that didnt seem important at the time."


Old Wise pilots have made ALL the mistakes that killed the Young Dead pilots. just ONCE. The difference was that the survivors became Old Wise Pilots. The survivors were survivors because of one insignificant (at the time) learning event. In my case, learning to fly from a crop duster who learned to fly from Orville Wright and learning to turn on a dime to dust the next row.....or as I actually used it, to escape a box canyon in the fog with my family in a Cessna 170B. One of several insignificant saviors that saved me from a flat spin, VFR on top, take off overloaded at altitude.......and the list goes on....just once.


As I said earlier, we escaped Harvey by 10 hours just because my wife coughed. I heard that cough on Friday morning as she got up and decided that two weeks without a hospital was to much risk and we left.......by car. Had we stayed, she would have died without a hospital.

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1949 Taylorcraft BC12D-4-85 on factory EDO 1320 floats. 85 HP, no electric. N6603N
 
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1949 Taylorcraft BC12D-4-85 on factory EDO 1320 floats. 85 HP, no electric. N6603N

Awesome choice. Surprised the C85 will lift the floats???

My last one was a souped up 1947 Ercoupe, all metal flush rivets, controlable Pitch prop, C85 upgrade, full IFR, 135 mph!! And could go topless when weather permitted.
 
Awesome choice. Surprised the C85 will lift the floats???

My last one was a souped up 1947 Ercoupe, all metal flush rivets, controlable Pitch prop, C85 upgrade, full IFR, 135 mph!! And could go topless when weather permitted.

I loved the sleek lines of the eurocoup’s! They always looked like a mini bomber aircraft to me.

The C85 did surprisingly well on the taylorcrafts, because of their light weight and huge wings. The 1320’a are also Really little floats. The Taylorcraft was actually type certified on 1320 floats.

I never flew on wheels, except during my pilot training. The day I took my check ride the plane went on floats and stayed on floats for the decade I was flying.
 
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For the record is was not Hopetown. It was the March Harbor Marina in Marsh Harbor.
 
Gambling is gambling. Claiming you were right because the preferred outcome was achieved does not indicate that you were not gambling. Some win. Some lose.

Complacency might be a better term, and none of us are immune to it.

I’m not immune and can tell some simple but very recent ones on myself that by the roll of the dice could have ended in loss of boat.

Yesterday, I was close inshore taking pictures of a lighthouse, then a large container ship passing in the opposite direction. Next thing I know, I’m drifting in a fast current through a kelp bed because I took my eyes offshore watching the nearby ship. I rarely take chances while single handing, but there it is. Only gets about 20 feet at its shallowest, but that was more by luck than design. Bottom line, I got lucky, but that doesn’t mean I made the right choices. Could have lost the boat in that momentary lapse and I have a lot of experience operating high current near rocks, high awareness. <sigh>

Last Sunday, I had thick fog, again single handing. I had to alternate time out on the bow to keep an audible watch, look for the telltale wake from low cross section boat on radar, then quickly back to Radar, ais, rinse, repeat. I was still dark, so also fiddling with the display brightness on my new to me furuno too (not their best unit ever) and I was task loading more than I was aware. I had two ferries sneaking up behind me and proactively got on the radio to make sure they had me on ais and make passing arrangements. I stated my vessel name and location and then said I was going eastbound when I was going West. Never in my life have I routinely mixed up right/left, east/west, but there it is. They read back “we have you at xxx course at 6 knots” and I confirmed, it was only when I spoke with a buddy of mine a few minutes later that I realized what I had done. I was shocked. Again, complacency. I had not run the boat/these electronics/these conditions for almost a year and I was out of practice and it showed.

We all suffer from complacency. We all credit our skills at a surplus and everyone else at a deficit, that’s just normal human behavior. None of us are immune. The best antidote is to train often and debrief courageously. But if anyone thinks that clear decisions the the heat of the moment will result without specific recent practice you are kidding yourself. Practicing for a fluidly changing weather pattern while being human is no cakewalk. Better to learn than to criticize. Mistakes were made and he paid the price, but he is not hiding but debriefing as honestly as he can. Sounds like someone trying his best to embrace what happened. I can’t help but empathize.
A courageous post!

Similar to a situation last year where I completely fubared. I had left anchorage at Shaw Is, San Juans, in what appeared to be just rain thick, headed for Friday Harbor. Got near the corner of Shaw and just plodding along, sort of mesmerized by the now developing fog, turned on the radar and proceeded. Unfortunately I forgot basic seamanship, didn't even look at my compass,:facepalm: didn't take into account the current setting me southwards and ended up way off course!:facepalm:
When it finally dawned on me that I was not looking at San Juan Is on my port but rather Lopez Is, near Fishermans Harbor, I dared to look at the compass! Going the wrong way A-hole!:banghead::mad:

Sheepishly I turned the boat around, and with utmost embarrassment told my wife of my error and got headed in the right direction for Friday Harbor. Most embarrassing.!:eek: :blush: We all need a tune up once in a while.:rolleyes: Complacency is not good.
 
See bold.



You are yourself passing the same level of judgement that others have posted.



We learn from others bad and good decisions, so that we do not make similar ones.


I don’t live in hurricane country. Even so, reading intelligent, thoughtful, and civil discussion on the merits of decisions that were made and the decision making process can be very instructive for me.

Maybe it was a bad decision? Maybe it was actually a reasonable decision. Either way, it certainly turn out to be the wrong decision. Just because a decision turned out to be wrong doesn’t mean it was bad. Just because a decision turned out to be right, doesn’t mean it was a good decision.

I used to play blackjack. I was good enough that I got banned from a number of casinos. That is a process of decision making based on the information available. If the count is very high and I’m dealt a pair of 10s against a dealers 6, a good decision will be to split those 10s. Now, if it turns out that the dealer draws a 5, it may have turned out to the wrong decision, but it doesn’t mean it was a bad decision.

Finally, being critical of his decision making process isn’t being mean to him. It isn’t showing glee at his misfortune. I see it as simply a post event process to improve our own decision making going forward.
 
I read his blog, he was lucky to get out alive...
There may be 40,000 dead on both islands.
I think his estimate too high. There were also many undocumented people, like haitians there and those villages are gone..many were swept out to sea and will never be found.
 
I seriously doubt the number will be anywhere near that high. Official toll is still around 50 and some 2500 missing, down from an initial 6000.
 
Isn’t the total population of Abaco only 17,000? Not sure of Grand Bahama. So 40,000 seems a bit high to me, but then I’m out in the upper left hand corner.
 
Isn’t the total population of Abaco only 17,000? Not sure of Grand Bahama. So 40,000 seems a bit high to me, but then I’m out in the upper left hand corner.


you would have to watch it to see where he gets these numbers.

Yet wars kill far more people than storms, as in since 2015, 90,000 have died in Yemen, a place most in the US could not even place on a map. And many more likely to die.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/drone-attack-saudi-oil-facility-iran-rebels
 
GB Loss

Ted, there are always what iffs. A boat should be seaworthy to always go to sea, so I do not buy the “they could have broken down” reasoning.

It only takes one excuse to not take action.

The key takeaway I see from both accounts is that one was willing to try.

We all had the same data available to us. We all saw the storm approaching.

one tried and succeeded, one failed to try and failed.

I try to not be confrontational but that is just an ignorant statement. “Don’t take into account the possibility of breaking down” when making that decision?
I have a 1984 GB with a Ford Lehman 120 that has 7700 hours on it. Works fine and I trust it in the waters I cruise. But in that situation, when making the decision to move the boat and risk my life, or use my judgement based on experience and stay put, you bet your ass I’d consider reliability as part of my decision making process.
Moving a 7kt boat to avoid a storm is a gamble in the first place. For all you know, you could be moving from what turns out to be a safe harbor to storm center, depending on what track the storm takes. And not taking into consideration the possibility of a breakdown into the equation vs the outcome of staying put based on experience is just stupid. Failed racor filters, stirred up funk in fuel tanks, blown rods, failed injectors, ruptured fuel lines and a thousand other things that can happen to a well maintained boat are all possible.
Leaving your boat in a previously safe harbor based on weather forecasts vs leaving isn’t always a bad decision. Being broken down 50 miles out at sea in a cat 5 storm will kill you. Staying put will cost you your boat if it comes to that.
You do the math.
Your assessment is amateurish. It’s akin to getting into an airplane without doing a preflight (thus not accounting for a breakdown). And I never did that, either.
 
I try to not be confrontational but that is just an ignorant statement. “Don’t take into account the possibility of breaking down” when making that decision?
I have a 1984 GB with a Ford Lehman 120 that has 7700 hours on it. Works fine and I trust it in the waters I cruise. But in that situation, when making the decision to move the boat and risk my life, or use my judgement based on experience and stay put, you bet your ass I’d consider reliability as part of my decision making process.
Moving a 7kt boat to avoid a storm is a gamble in the first place. For all you know, you could be moving from what turns out to be a safe harbor to storm center, depending on what track the storm takes. And not taking into consideration the possibility of a breakdown into the equation vs the outcome of staying put based on experience is just stupid. Failed racor filters, stirred up funk in fuel tanks, blown rods, failed injectors, ruptured fuel lines and a thousand other things that can happen to a well maintained boat are all possible.
Leaving your boat in a previously safe harbor based on weather forecasts vs leaving isn’t always a bad decision. Being broken down 50 miles out at sea in a cat 5 storm will kill you. Staying put will cost you your boat if it comes to that.
You do the math.
Your assessment is amateurish. It’s akin to getting into an airplane without doing a preflight (thus not accounting for a breakdown). And I never did that, either.

In the Bahamas are no safe harbors. Looks like few moved their boat to Florida which is only slightly safer harbors, I see lots of damaged boats where major storms come ashore, so even in the US, few people move their boats for major storms, because of reasons you mentioned. Including being you have to move far away, boat may not make the trip, you could be caught in the storm on the water, and you may move it to a worse place, where you go may be too full of other boats to get you a secure spot, needed crew help may be unavailable, they got their own storm fears, wherever you go, you need to get back home and if storm was bad, authorities may not let you back in, and also people are busy with their everyday life, work, and securing their own homes from storms, boat is way down that list. Boat is a luxury, not a necessity and maybe insured for some value. It is a calculated risk of priorities about what to do.
 
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I try to not be confrontational but that is just an ignorant statement. “Don’t take into account the possibility of breaking down” when making that decision?
I have a 1984 GB with a Ford Lehman 120 that has 7700 hours on it. Works fine and I trust it in the waters I cruise. But in that situation, when making the decision to move the boat and risk my life, or use my judgement based on experience and stay put, you bet your ass I’d consider reliability as part of my decision making process.
Moving a 7kt boat to avoid a storm is a gamble in the first place. For all you know, you could be moving from what turns out to be a safe harbor to storm center, depending on what track the storm takes. And not taking into consideration the possibility of a breakdown into the equation vs the outcome of staying put based on experience is just stupid. Failed racor filters, stirred up funk in fuel tanks, blown rods, failed injectors, ruptured fuel lines and a thousand other things that can happen to a well maintained boat are all possible.
Leaving your boat in a previously safe harbor based on weather forecasts vs leaving isn’t always a bad decision. Being broken down 50 miles out at sea in a cat 5 storm will kill you. Staying put will cost you your boat if it comes to that.
You do the math.
Your assessment is amateurish. It’s akin to getting into an airplane without doing a preflight (thus not accounting for a breakdown). And I never did that, either.


I can have a field day with this post too.
I too have an older Lehman. But many days all winter, I start it up and travel. If it quits at the wrong time, there are perfectly sunny, calm days where you can still be in trouble. Not moving and being in the bullseye of a storm, and NOT in a safe harbor (as seen) is worse in my mind.


A plan could include many contingencies for a breakdown. .not to consider such might be called amatuerish....the ice has been broken on this one.


7 knots or 70 knots, wouldn't a breakdown result in the same? If the plan was safe for 7 knots,vwhat does speed matter? Sure if you couldn't get someplace at 7 knots it would matter, but in this case you could and people did.




I could go on and on and blow a hole in almost every reason to stay over go.



Life is always a gamble, but risk management allows you to make clear, reasonable decisions based on the ability to mitigate dangers and evaluate and mitigate ones that pop up.


Stay or go? I am not saying for this person or anyone else that they should or shouldn't. Someone mentioned this guy might have had a friends funeral to go to. Good point....for someone else...they might think their friend wouldn't mind you skipping it if it meant saving your boat.



Sure we don't have all the info but each and every danger can be reviewed and mitigation possibilities can be tossed around so we can all learn.


And no it's not like jumping in an airplane without a preflight....not at all.
 
Helluva thread.

Has me sympathetic toward insurance. Never thought I'd say that.

I want insurance for my boat. I'm gonna take it out in hurricane prone areas during hurricane season and if a hurricane comes I'm catching a plane to a hurricane safe zone and abandon the boat. Will my insurance pay for the plane ticket?

Insurance is ridiculously expensive to cover ridiculous expenses. Thanks for that.
 
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I try to not be confrontational but that is just an ignorant statement. “Don’t take into account the possibility of breaking down” when making that decision?
I have a 1984 GB with a Ford Lehman 120 that has 7700 hours on it. Works fine and I trust it in the waters I cruise. But in that situation, when making the decision to move the boat and risk my life, or use my judgement based on experience and stay put, you bet your ass I’d consider reliability as part of my decision making process.
Moving a 7kt boat to avoid a storm is a gamble in the first place. For all you know, you could be moving from what turns out to be a safe harbor to storm center, depending on what track the storm takes. And not taking into consideration the possibility of a breakdown into the equation vs the outcome of staying put based on experience is just stupid. Failed racor filters, stirred up funk in fuel tanks, blown rods, failed injectors, ruptured fuel lines and a thousand other things that can happen to a well maintained boat are all possible.
Leaving your boat in a previously safe harbor based on weather forecasts vs leaving isn’t always a bad decision. Being broken down 50 miles out at sea in a cat 5 storm will kill you. Staying put will cost you your boat if it comes to that.
You do the math.
Your assessment is amateurish. It’s akin to getting into an airplane without doing a preflight (thus not accounting for a breakdown). And I never did that, either.

Well, you and I obviously maintain our boats to different standards. On ANY given day you could walk up to my boat, turn the keys and safely depart on a cruise lasting a indefinite amount of time. That is seaworthy. The only thing I might need is a fuel up and some fresh vegies.

If you are suggesting that any person take or leave their boat on a low lying island 80 miles from the mainland, in the most hurricane prone area on the planet, during hurricane season, and not have that boat in seaworthy condition, well that to me seems like it would not be the smartest thing to do.

But... That seems not to be the case with the person who’m we are discussing. It seems to me that he underestimated the strength and possibly the track of the storm, and consciously decided to stay. Others analyzed the same data available and left. Error in judgement, pure and simple.

I think the lesson to be learned from this is that choosing to get out of harms way MAY offer great rewards, for little risk, if one takes all the data into consideration.

Timing seems to be key here. Run too early and you could put yourself right in the storms track. Run too late, well, you are too late.

It seems to me that those in hurricane country need a well thought out plan. If you are going to run from storms you need to be ready willing and able to move with little notice and spend several days moving if necessary.

If you plan to shelter in place you need a pre setup haul out with the facility, and that facility needs to be safe enough to withstand a storm.
 
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Commenting on the events of Dorian and people involved are the purpose of this thread. Even if it comments on the morals, motivations and competence of people. However, when you change the discussion to comment on the people participating in the thread, you are a troll.
 
Well, you and I obviously maintain our boats to different standards. On ANY given day you could walk up to my boat, turn the keys and safely depart on a cruise lasting a indefinite amount of time. That is seaworthy. The only thing I might need is a fuel up and some fresh vegies.

If you are suggesting that any person take or leave their boat on a low lying island 80 miles from the mainland, in the most hurricane prone area on the planet, during hurricane season, and not have that boat in seaworthy condition, well that to me seems like it would not be the smartest thing to do.

But... That seems not to be the case with the person who’m we are discussing. It seems to me that he underestimated the strength and possibly the track of the storm, and consciously decided to stay. Others analyzed the same data available and left. Error in judgement, pure and simple.

I think the lesson to be learned from this is that choosing to get out of harms way offers great rewards. for little risk, if one takes all the data into consideration.

Timing seems to be key here. Run too early and you could put yourself right in the storms track. Run too late, well, you are too late.

It seems to me that those in hurricane country need a well thought out plan. If you are going to run from storms you need to be ready willing and able to move with little notice and spend several days moving if necessary. If you plan to shelter in place you need a pre setup haul out plan.


The wildcard for ICW boaters is the early closing of bridges due to evacuation orders. You could get trapped in a bad spot.



No telling what might happen. For Dorian, they had already issued evacuation orders for South Carolina and the storm hadn't left the Bahamas yet. Can't say that closed bridges, but if it did, it might have screwed my plans had a bridge been ordered closed that early
 
The wildcard for ICW boaters is the early closing of bridges due to evacuation orders. You could get trapped in a bad spot.



No telling what might happen. For Dorian, they had already issued evacuation orders for South Carolina and the storm hadn't left the Bahamas yet. Can't say that closed bridges, but if it did, it might have screwed my plans had a bridge been ordered closed that early

I’m sure it’s not easy, but it is clear that you are thinking, and planning.

Survival comes through planning and preparation.
 
LOL, it has been a struggle NOT to comment on some of the posts in this thread. :angel:

Personally, I would never criticize someone for making a decision to run or not to run for their recreational boat. It is an individual's personal decision based upon his/her personal circumstances.

The only folks I would criticize are those who do absolutely nothing with their boats and thereby put the boats of others in danger.

Jim
 
The wildcard for ICW boaters is the early closing of bridges due to evacuation orders. You could get trapped in a bad spot.



No telling what might happen. For Dorian, they had already issued evacuation orders for South Carolina and the storm hadn't left the Bahamas yet. Can't say that closed bridges, but if it did, it might have screwed my plans had a bridge been ordered closed that early

This happened in Jacksonville too. Way before the storm they were securing bridges.
 
I was hoping to find something to think about for the next hurricane. I live in Jacksonville Florida and was forced to totally rebuild my house after Irma, while my boat was just fine in its slip. Before Irma I normally just figured what do I need to do to batten things down. After watching large waves break in my yard with only a few miles of fetch, I am very conflicted.

I scan two or three weather sources every day especially when Chris Parker says it looks like it might get ugly. And after I check that I have enough water and batteries and stuff what to do? Keep one of the cars full of gas. Once they start showing a huge storm, you make a stay or go, decision and as some people have said, you spend a little while every x hours deciding if your criteria has changed and your decision needs to too.

I added the hurricanes app this year. It is wonderful since in a few clicks you can see the Map, but also satellite and cone and track and models.

Our daughter was down visiting and changed her flights. In hindsight totally unnecessary. But reasonable.

I read “Deep Survival: who lives, who dies and why...”. As a retired Naval flight officer i thought the author was a little dramatic with the carrier stuff but a very interesting read about decision making. Seemed some new stuff from my aviation accident investigation days.

You have to watch out for “get there now!” And “we already made that decision”. Remember we are rationalizing creatures.

Especially when Dorian was a ways out the “likely hurricane winds” meant that if we really got a level 5 Hurricane and it lands in Vero and crosses the state where exactly are you going to flee to? I vividly remember before Irma that there were no hotel rooms and little gas for hundreds of miles. During Irma family evacuated from Naples FL to our house. Our house damaged enough to that we rebuilt, hers no big deal.

I think that I won’t go to the Islands after July. Not that I normally do, but now especially with the post about returning routes and their problems with even normal weather and navigation. After thinking about it some it doesn’t seem to match the risk to reward. FOR ME. So thanks for at least one very helpful post in the thread. Easy to multiply 7 kts x X days but with the size of the storms and the fact that the weather starts getting “interesting” days before the center hits is just the way it is.

OBTW Humberto is now actually doing the hard right that most or all the models predicted. So it about at CPA and it windy but nice day in Florida.
 
In the Bahamas are no safe harbors. Looks like few moved their boat to Florida which is only slightly safer harbors, I see lots of damaged boats where major storms come ashore, so even in the US, few people move their boats for major storms, because of reasons you mentioned. Including being you have to move far away, boat may not make the trip, you could be caught in the storm on the water, and you may move it to a worse place, where you go may be too full of other boats to get you a secure spot, needed crew help may be unavailable, they got their own storm fears, wherever you go, you need to get back home and if storm was bad, authorities may not let you back in, and also people are busy with their everyday life, work, and securing their own homes from storms, boat is way down that list. Boat is a luxury, not a necessity and maybe insured for some value. It is a calculated risk of priorities about what to do.
This is, perhaps, the best commentary so far. If you have not been thru a hurricane then I you dont know the "little" things that will get in the way of a finely tuned plan.
Most finely tuned plans dont go past the day after the hurricane. While preparing FOR is important, AFTER can be equally important. I had not thought of AFTER until Harvey. Because of a fortunate last minute change of plans I became very aware that AFTER could have cost my wifes life.
 
Scott your correct about locking bridges down, the Miami River closed 24 hours before the storm could have hit. No one could get to their dock and no one could leave. We had planned to take the boat out that day, weather was beautiful, but decided not to. Glad we didn’t as we couldn’t get to our dock not that it mattered as the storm never came close and we had little wind and rain.
 
This is, perhaps, the best commentary so far. If you have not been thru a hurricane then I you dont know the "little" things that will get in the way of a finely tuned plan.
Most finely tuned plans dont go past the day after the hurricane. While preparing FOR is important, AFTER can be equally important. I had not thought of AFTER until Harvey. Because of a fortunate last minute change of plans I became very aware that AFTER could have cost my wifes life.

Wifey B: I toss out a few scenarios that have no right answers but show the issues often faced.

#1-Irma developing and potentially approaching South Florida. We've been in TX helping with post-Harvey work, must make a stop in Charlotte as well to take a pregnant teen to an orphanage there. Now, safely in Charlotte, do we fly home where house, boats, friends, family and businesses are or stay safely in Charlotte? We flew home. Knowing how long it might be post hurricane before we could get there was a strong factor in our decision.

#2-Live in Texas, have a boat in the Bahamas. We find out a tropical storm or small hurricane is headed north of Bahamas to East Coast of FL. Choices are to fly there and move the boat or arrange for yard in Bahamas to put boat on land. Storm intensifies to CAT 2 or 3 and now forecast to hit Bahamas where boat is. Do we fly in and move boat and, if so, where do we move it? Do we risk storm changes and where we move it turns out worse or risk not being able to get out of Bahamas? Or do we stay safely where we are?

#3-Live in South Florida as Irma approaches. Single mom with one 4 year old daughter. No other family. No experience with hurricanes and not in evacuation zone. Have $32 cash and $127 in bank account, no credit cards, and car only has 1/4 tank of gas. No family. I keep seeing on television warnings to evacuate before it's too late. In fear I decide to head north after waiting in line to get gas. After breakfast and lunch and filling a second time with gas, I'm even more fearful of Orlando and then of Jacksonville and I keep going. One last drive through for dinner and I arrive in Savannah around midnight with the $32 cash still and $22 in my bank account and down to perhaps a gallon of gas left. By now I'm having a severe panic attack in hearing the storm may be headed to Savannah. Exhausted, broke, and out of gas, I get directions to a shelter. Near it I park in a one hour zone and run in with my daughter. Later I don't even remember how I found it or where I parked. Fortunately, my three year old does as somehow as terrified as I was, I remained calm enough not to scare her, although she was worried about me. I am able to charge my cell phone there. I get a call after the storm passes beyond South Florida. I hand the phone to a lady working at the shelter who tells whoever is calling that I'm in pretty bad shape, have barely slept any and have my daughter, who is doing fine with me. After a while, she's told someone will be coming for me and given their number to follow up. She's asked to just keep me safely there. A car load of people arrive late that afternoon, none of whom I've ever met. They are friends of the people who run the company I work for. Two of them find my car and are going to drive it to Fort Lauderdale. Others take me and my daughter to a fancy hotel and let us shower and order room service. Then they load us into their SUV and take us to their home in FLL. I've been too fearful to take my sleep medication but they finally get me to on the drive. My daughter tells them how worried she is about me and fills them in. They take me to a hospital the following morning and take care of my daughter while I'm there as the doctors find out the other underlying causes of my sleep problems and my panic since the only doctors I'd been seeing were at a free clinic. Oh, my apartment wasn't touched by Irma and most people stayed there. However, it was broken into my thieves while I was gone and my television and a few other things taken. I got the physical medical help and the mental help I needed, disability leave from my employer with pay, moved into a safer apartment, and the older couple who my daughter stayed with while I was in the hospital became her "grandparents." All ended well, but it was terrorizing and I'll never go through another hurricane alone. It turns out my daughter and I were safe the whole time, but would have been at home also. The combination of my own personal demons and what I kept hearing from television reporters and the Governor put me through terror and panic and somehow with the strength of my daughter, the kind, caring people in the shelter, my employer, and the kind strangers I made it and I'm now doing well and my daughter even has incredible grandparents she never had before. Oh, I moved in with a roommate, a girl I worked with. Along the way, we fell in love with her and she and my daughter love each other and she became a wonderful second mom to my daughter.

Everyone faces different situations. It's not just the actual conditions but it's partly us, our background and history, our family, our other responsibilities. Every storm is different. The above stories are all true stories. I'm sure half the people on here has one or more hurricane stories and no two of those are the same. One person avoids them. One takes them casually. One panics. One frantically tries to take action. One calmly handles what they can. One is very concerned about their property. One values only lives.

Every hurricane takes a huge human toll, not just on those who lose their lives or just on their friends and families. It's everyone who lives through one or even through the threat of one. Before 2017, I had no experience with hurricanes. Now, I've been during post hurricane clean up to areas after Harvey, Irma, and Florence. I've followed and been involved from a distance after Maria, Michael and Dorian. I know those who have been through dozens and still live where they have and then I know the couple who moved from Chicago to Sarasota to retire, were visited by Irma, a For Sale sign immediately went up on their home, and they now are happily retired in Nashville. :)

To all those who think they know how they'd react, you don't. I didn't. I still don't know how I'd handle it if I was alone, but I am always comforted by my hubby and our extended family. I don't know how I would if I lived elsewhere or if my home was less sturdy. I don't know how if I lived in the Bahamas. I only think I know, but do I really, about the next one. :confused:
 
Face death more than a few times and the deaths of others you are responsible for and you may know how to react.


Training tells you there is a process in decision making. Follow that and even though every time is different, the process/training is the same.


Thats why I think these discussions are worthy even if it hurts a few feelings. Getting people to be aware and think ahead seem to be lost arts in the US.


Learning from others usually outweighs learning from your own mistakes by a longshot....
 
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Face death more than a few times and the deaths of others you are responsible for and you may know how to react.

Fear of being responsible for someone else's death in any way is a strong motivator. It certainly impacts when I'd pay someone to move a boat. However, it impacts so many things, such as how I drive, the speed I drive an auto. I'd love to drive fast but the thought of someone dying in an accident in which I was speeding frightens me enough to keep me slower. It impacts instructions we give every store clerk on handling a robbery and instructions on locking up and walking to their cars. It's why we never let anyone work alone. I get concerned every time I go to a convenience store at night and there is only one person working.

As to my own life, I don't mind being called a wimp or a coward, I don't like putting myself in danger. Only once have I really done so and I felt safe and it was for someone else. I cannot imagine facing what you did in your career or what others have. I doubt that I have the makeup to do those jobs for a long period of time.
 
Thus the overwhelming reason to learn from others and to apply the well known factors of operational risk management.


Even when you do, there are many, many different decision paths to follow based on input, but things Iike fear and indecision are minimized and riskidentification and mitigation are maximized.


One is only a wimp when they know they should do something, probably could...but don't. Avoiding danger is smart, minimizing it to accomplish your goal is brilliant. Avoiding it for the sake of fear is a bit wimpy, but self preservation should always be strong....it's what keeps professionals doing their jobs for decades while fearless heros often die in one shot.
 
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The wildcard for ICW boaters is the early closing of bridges due to evacuation orders. You could get trapped in a bad spot.


WOW, I never thought of this. Probably because there are few bridges or locks on the south Texas ICW.


You just changed my plan. IF I were to run in the boat I could go two ways, SW and NE in the ICW. South West there are no bridges all the way to Mexico. I will go South West if that direction is reasonable, not NE. If NE is the only reasonable way, then I will leave by car.
 
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