markpierce, at the rate you're going, it probably won't take you that long to get there either.
Really? Can we hold you to that? I thought you were done when the "project" was over weeks ago.
Do you guys ever "boat"....
Since we live on the Eagle we are boating every day, but we do not leave the dock much
Marin-
You can retire your current account, open another and start all over again!
There are going to be many more twin v single, anchor, and pilothouse window threads to get you to another 10K!
Marin-
You can retire your current account, open another and start all over again! There are going to be many more twin v single, anchor, and pilothouse window threads to get you to another 10K!
Pods are a bit less popular in the Pacific Northwest due to the debris in the water.
And, when you want to go fast, you can - a well-designed. 40 footer can cruise at speed (21-28 knots) at 1nm/gallon. And there are plenty of boring spots on the Great Loop or in the Bahamas whet it can be nice to have some speed. Rather than spending 8 hours in six footers at 7-1/2 knots you can get through them in 4 hours at 15.
1977 Tolly tri cabin 34' w/twin 350/255 hp direct drive gets 1 nmpg on plane at 16/17 knots fully loaded w/ 5 adults and two kids. 2.25 to 2.50 nmpg at 6 knots (7.58 is calced hull speed). When you mention 6' waves at 15 knots - you referring to long duration rollers? Or, close duration chop w/ white caps?
The main thing that keeps the number of pod boats down in the PNW (and everywhere else) is the price. A new GB41 (now GB43) with the pod drives is well north of $1 million bucks by the time you get it equipped sufficiently to actually use. And they have not been in production long enough for the used ones to be much less than that.
I've talked to people who have run GB41s and you're correct, they're wonderful when it comes to maneuvering and holding station, going fast when you want or need to. But they are far outside the acquisition range of the typical recreational cruiser buyer who's looking to spend $50K- $250k on a boat.
Our IPS 42 footers sell new for $600k complete and used in the mid $300s. So ALL pod boats are not tremendously expensive. These prices are competitive with a similar sized single screw tug-style yacht.
Nothing wrong with those Tolly numbers - but that's for 34 footer - not a 40 plus footer.
I'm talking about heading south on the Jersey coast into 25 knots plus wind and 6 footers all the way from NYC to Cape May. I'd rather tough it out at 15 than at 7 or 8.
In the same weather, turning north in Delaware Bay, with 4 footers, we speed up to 21 or 25 knots. Very exciting passages.
The reason we tend to cruise this way is not for fun - it's on a schedule to get from one boat show in CT to the next in MD. I advocate staying out of nasty seas entirely - and with a retired owner, not on a schedule, one can choose his windows for open water (I'm talking coast wise, of course, not blue water passage making).
And you are as guilty as Marin for your comparison. "Single screw tug-style yachts" are the upper limit for single screw boats.
I'll agree with Moonstruck on this one. Pods are just too "elaborate" for me. There is also a little bit of pride and satisfaction in developing a plan to operate your boat and then successfully executing that plan...ie docking your boat in challenging situations. I have just come from my boat in my avatar...single with bow thruster. And am now in the process of buying my first twin engined boat..........should be a lotta fun!!!!
Agreed! Neanderthals - Unite!!
If I may say so... Actually – single screw straight drive lovers are the Neanderthals / We twin screw lovers are Cro-Magnons. Does that make Pod Drive lovers from Mars??? Just wonderen - LOL
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And you are as guilty as Marin for your comparison. "Single screw tug-style yachts" are the upper limit for single screw boats.
I'll agree with Moonstruck on this one. Pods are just too "elaborate" for me. There is also a little bit of pride and satisfaction in developing a plan to operate your boat and then successfully executing that plan...ie docking your boat in challenging situations. I have just come from my boat in my avatar...single with bow thruster. And am now in the process of buying my first twin engined boat..........should be a lotta fun!!!!
rjtrane -
Nice pict, but, in all due respect, those do not look like 6' waves at 15 knots... 2.5' to 3' maybe?? For 25 years I was brought up on New England coastal travel... NY to Canada. Been in just about every harbor more than once. 1950’s, 60’s, 70’s... before weather predictions of recent times were available... I’ve seen storms similar to the beginnings of Nor’easters suddenly arise while off shore with some real nasty waves cropping up that we had to fight as we headed to a port. Twice weathered hurricanes in harbors, on the hook with motor running to reduce drag on the anchor; Dering Harbor and Boston Harbor. One of our favorite boats was a stout 38’ raised deck semi planing hull sport fisher. Cruise was 12 to 13 knots, WOT 15 to 16. I can well remember the speeds we did in 6’ and even taller “chop-whitecap” waves (not rollers – they are basically no problem)... it was about 7 knots, simply because faster than that into 6’ or taller “chop-waves” would beat a 38 to 40’ boat to death, not to mention the crew.
That said: I’m certain you have a VERY lively experiences at the speeds you mention, for length of time you continue, and into the waves/wind you encounter. Enjoy your every cruise... biz wise or playtime... boats are cool!
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Is the pod more elaborate than you slant shaft with stuffing box, cutlass bearing and single propeller? Yes. But maybe not when you add in a hydraulic steering system with rudder, helm pump(s), hoses and fittings and autopilot pump. Or add in bow thruster with its dedicated battery. Or add in a stern thruster. Pods are fly by wire - with essentially CAT5 wires running from the helm(s) to the motors. No rudders. No place for water to leak. No exhaust system (built in). No water intake(s) (built in). No alignment issues. No leaking stuffing box. No above water exhaust. No motor under the accommodation (out aft, easy to service - noise is outside the boat).
Carver 356 with twin 370hp Cummins 6BTAs...the deal is not sealed yet but just might get there by the end of the week.
I still can't understand the need and expense of pod drives. The Bahama coral heads could be devastating to pods. High torque twin screws will put a direct drive boat where you want it. If you need more help add a thruster or two. A lot cheaper and less complicated. How do you retrieve a snapped off pod in a remote area? For that matter, how do you find it? I'm very happy with my mechanically injected straight drives. I guess I'm a neanderthal, and doomed to the dark ages forever.l