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Derek

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Our Salon ceiling is blotchy and in dire need of cleaning. Guessing an old water leak but I had similar look spraying bug spray on my old boat thru Georgia when I left a door open and came back to what looked like an old Vincent price horror file scene of bugs everywhere. The surface is tacky to the touch and we tried a couple gentle house cleaners IMG_0763.jpg with no success. I really need to replace it all but trying to buy one more season with them. Any ideas appreciated!
 
Greetings,
Mr. D. There is a recent thread about painting liners. You might consider that option...
 
Greetings,
Mr. D. There is a recent thread about painting liners. You might consider that option...

DIY Saloon Headliner Installation
https://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64940

Thx Firefly. Just read it and looks great! I once tried to build a doghouse and it ended up looking like something from the set of the Beetlejuice movie. 40 years later I need to learn carpentry. But if anyone has a cleaning option, it would buy us some time to work on the gotta do now stuff.
 
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Greetings,
Mr. D. You mention trying "gentle" household cleaners. How about something more aggressive? Spray 9? Simply Amazing (from the $ store)? Simple Green (NOT my go-to as I hate the smell)?

Have you tried isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) or turpentine? I hesitate to suggest stronger solvents such as acetone, toluene or lacquer thinner as these are pretty well guaranteed to denature and destroy the vinyl.
You might try WD40 in a corner. I know it sounds strange and it does have a strong odour but maybe...
 
Greetings,
Mr. D. You mention trying "gentle" household cleaners. How about something more aggressive? Spray 9? Simply Amazing (from the $ store)? Simple Green (NOT my go-to as I hate the smell)?

Have you tried isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) or turpentine? I hesitate to suggest stronger solvents such as acetone, toluene or lacquer thinner as these are pretty well guaranteed to denature and destroy the vinyl.
You might try WD40 in a corner. I know it sounds strange and it does have a strong odour but maybe...



All worn a shot. We have used a degreaser, hydro peroxide mix, some organic pink stuff from target. I agree with your assessment of using solvents. Will give the Ed 40 shot as it is based on cod fish oil. Thx
 
I use 409 with bleach or Chlorox cleaner. You can spray it direct or apply with a rag. Cuts through quickly with gentle wiping. Works great. Just be careful, it bleaches most fabrics. Wipe off wood, and you can wipe again with damp cloth.
 
If it is "tackey" it is beyond repair. My guess is that someone tried to clean it with one of the "miracle sponges" which do such a great job of cleaning many things. Unfortunately they can be very hard on certain types of plastics and vinyls.

You may be able to paint over it but the prognosis is not good.

pete
 
I use 409 with bleach or Chlorox cleaner. You can spray it direct or apply with a rag. Cuts through quickly with gentle wiping. Works great. Just be careful, it bleaches most fabrics. Wipe off wood, and you can wipe again with damp cloth.



In Beaufort sc heading south and heading to store to re-provision. Will pick some up and report back to all
 
cleaner

I use lemon juice at the waterline on my boat. Works great. Maybe worth a try.
 
If it is "tackey" it is beyond repair. My guess is that someone tried to clean it with one of the "miracle sponges" which do such a great job of cleaning many things. Unfortunately they can be very hard on certain types of plastics and vinyls.

You may be able to paint over it but the prognosis is not good.

pete

Agreed. Once tacky there is no fixing it. Replacing was the only option on my old 2004 400.
 
Blue- we are tacky. Crap. Anyone have a good source for replacement liner.
 
Replacing Vinyl Headliner

I replaced headliner and all the vinyl in the forward birth. Did it myself. Not for the faint of heart as it is a PITA. Search for my posts, I included pictures.
As an aside I have an issue in the guest cabin with the outer layer of vinyl peeling on the port wall. I used a wire brush by hand and removed all of the outer layer. Whats left is the cloth backing. Because the area is small and would require removal of the hanging locker and other paneling, I plan on installing a thin plywood panel covered with a 1/2 to 3/4 foam and new vinyl that's left over from the headliner job. Some have posted using a type of ship lap on the ceiling, others have had someone glue new vinyl over the fabric backing after removing the peeling outer layer. I went for a more permanent original look.
 
I have both problems; my salon headliner also has a "sticky" patch, and my forward stateroom liner is peeling like crazy. Can you post a link to previous posts you mentioned? Also, how did you start taking down the headliner without destroying it?
 
Replace headliner

I have both problems; my salon headliner also has a "sticky" patch, and my forward stateroom liner is peeling like crazy. Can you post a link to previous posts you mentioned? Also, how did you start taking down the headliner without destroying it?


You probably can't remove it intact. The material is old and is bound to tear. Search "Headliner" under Mainship to see my posts with pictures on replacing the headliner. In my case the headliner needed to come down because there was a split along one of the tracks that held it up. The track was fine but the material looked like it shrunk along that seem.
 
You might try touching up the sticky patch with white latex paint. It might firm up the sticky stuff. Then you could paint the whole liner as Donna described. As mentioned above replacing it can be a PIA.
 
When the headliner develops those sticky spots, it’s done. The chemicals are separating and leeching out of the vinyl material, and you can’t fix that. Pull it down and put up new headliner fabric. You can buy it from Sailrite. I ordered a few different samples to make sure I liked the color, stretch, and overall quality.

While the headliner is down, that’s a good time to update the original ugly overhead lights. If there is anything, like wires or cables, that you want to run down from the flybridge...now’s a good time to do that. I ran KVH cable!

I’m sitting here looking up at my raw ceiling dreading the chore of putting up the new headliner, but it must be done. Ugh....
 
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Our Salon ceiling is blotchy and in dire need of cleaning. Guessing an old water leak but I had similar look spraying bug spray on my old boat thru Georgia when I left a door open and came back to what looked like an old Vincent price horror file scene of bugs everywhere. The surface is tacky to the touch and we tried a couple gentle house cleanersView attachment 134194 with no success. I really need to replace it all but trying to buy one more season with them. Any ideas appreciated!



UPDATE: Spoke to whisper wall folks. I learned that they only make the frame but not the fabric. Was referred to their preferred Marine company in Florida. Spoke to the. And learned that we most likely have a product called MAGILITE. As soon as I described the issue he asked if my boat was over 10 years old. I said yes, 17 years old. To which he replied, well that’s the issue… the product only lasts 10 years in humid, salty conditions before the oils break down and leech through the fabric. he would only sell MAGILITE To authorized installers. I asked for an installed quote and will report back.
 
UPDATE: Spoke to whisper wall folks. I learned that they only make the frame but not the fabric. Was referred to their preferred Marine company in Florida. Spoke to the. And learned that we most likely have a product called MAGILITE. As soon as I described the issue he asked if my boat was over 10 years old. I said yes, 17 years old. To which he replied, well that’s the issue… the product only lasts 10 years in humid, salty conditions before the oils break down and leech through the fabric. he would only sell MAGILITE To authorized installers. I asked for an installed quote and will report back.

Thanks. Please do report back. I’m in Florida, and have the old stuff pulled down. I hadn’t ordered my headliner fabric yet because I wanted to test my samples in the track. None of them will go in without ripping. The Magilite must be thinner. At this point, I wouldn’t mind having someone install it, too. It’s seems a bit difficult for one person to do and I’m not sure my low back is up for it anytime soon.

My other thought is to install headliner covered panels ad use teak batten strips at the seams. I do love that classic look.
 
Before you pull it all down, try "goo off' cleaner. I had the same situation. I did not realize it is due to predictable vinyl degradation, I assumed it was due to a cleaning product applied by a prior owner. Maybe I'm just buying time, but goof off took away the sheen and tacky feel. The vinyl headliner looks fine now.
 
I see a typo on my preceding post! "Goof Off" is the name of the product.
 
Thanks. Please do report back. I’m in Florida, and have the old stuff pulled down. I hadn’t ordered my headliner fabric yet because I wanted to test my samples in the track. None of them will go in without ripping. The Magilite must be thinner. At this point, I wouldn’t mind having someone install it, too. It’s seems a bit difficult for one person to do and I’m not sure my low back is up for it anytime soon.

My other thought is to install headliner covered panels ad use teak batten strips at the seams. I do love that classic look.

Mermaid, like you I pulled the vinyl down assuming I could put up the new stuff. I took a couple putty knives and ground the corners off like others have said and tried to do it myself. I could never get the material into the tracks it without tearing it. After several attempts I ended up hiring a guy who had the proper Whisper Wall tools and he made it look easy. If you end up trying to do it yourself I would recommend getting the proper tools.
 
Thanks. Please do report back. I’m in Florida, and have the old stuff pulled down. I hadn’t ordered my headliner fabric yet because I wanted to test my samples in the track. None of them will go in without ripping. The Magilite must be thinner. At this point, I wouldn’t mind having someone install it, too. It’s seems a bit difficult for one person to do and I’m not sure my low back is up for it anytime soon.



My other thought is to install headliner covered panels ad use teak batten strips at the seams. I do love that classic look.



Well… After speaking to the folks @Powless.net in Oakland Park, FL, are Whsiperwalls “yacht people” I have yet to receive anything back after speaking to them And sending pics as requested. We are shutting the boat down for the holidays and I will call and ask why no quote as we discussed. My hunch is that after Mainship shut down, the yacht biz never took off for them.
 
Well… After speaking to the folks @Powless.net in Oakland Park, FL, are Whsiperwalls “yacht people” I have yet to receive anything back after speaking to them And sending pics as requested. We are shutting the boat down for the holidays and I will call and ask why no quote as we discussed. My hunch is that after Mainship shut down, the yacht biz never took off for them.



They asked for the length and width of the panels and how many of them there are. Also, the welting on the outside edge is apparently high dollar so was asked if it is in good enough condition to re use. Details submitted and will update with quote details.
 
They asked for the length and width of the panels and how many of them there are. Also, the welting on the outside edge is apparently high dollar so was asked if it is in good enough condition to re use. Details submitted and will update with quote details.

I’m starting to lean towards just doing something different and ditch the whole whisper wall stuff. I think I may just go back to doing it the Hatteras way by using the existing structure, minus the plastic WW track, with an electric staple gun and teak batten strips. Then, I won’t have to use any special material. I love the classic look of teak batten strips on the ceiling.
 
I’m starting to lean towards just doing something different and ditch the whole whisper wall stuff. I think I may just go back to doing it the Hatteras way by using the existing structure, minus the plastic WW track, with an electric staple gun and teak batten strips. Then, I won’t have to use any special material. I love the classic look of teak batten strips on the ceiling.



Leaning that way as well Mermaid. They haven’t given me price until I agree to cover all travel, meals hotels,etc. They will not sell direct to consumer so I asked for name of installers south of me. Would be interested in how it goes once you start yours.
 
They asked for the length and width of the panels and how many of them there are. Also, the welting on the outside edge is apparently high dollar so was asked if it is in good enough condition to re use. Details submitted and will update with quote details.



Ok. So salon only about $4k Plus all travel expenses. I did find a source for the Majilite material @ $18 yard by 55” and have a sample coming. Thinking I will give it a shot myself.
 
Yes installing a new headliner is challenging.
You COULD build and install individual panels making the overall install easier. Here is a video of a company covering and installing lightweight wood panels covered with some type of vinyl fabric. I did think of this when I did mine but went with something closer to what was there originally.
Take a look
I also found a video about installing Wisperwall fabric probably from the manufacturer. Search Wisperwall headliner boat.


If you search newer Mainships for sale ads it looks like later models used the individual panel system.
I did post many pictures about how I did my install. I probably spent between 16-20 hours over 2 months (I'm only at my boat part time) between removal, recessed light panel mounting and final install. Challenging YES. Impossible NO.
 
Leaning that way as well Mermaid. They haven’t given me price until I agree to cover all travel, meals hotels,etc. They will not sell direct to consumer so I asked for name of installers south of me. Would be interested in how it goes once you start yours.

Well, I started my headliner replacement project. This is a very dirty job. The old headliner turns to dust when you start taking it down. Goodbye, Whisper Wall track. As I am tearing into the guts of this boat, I can see that the factory used scraps of wood and brads in many places; some things are screwed but nothing is “glued and screwed.”. That is a little disappointing.

I’m going with removable panels and using batten strips to cover the joint where two panels meet. This will make adding more lights, if necessary, or chasing future leaks, if any, easy in terms of access. Plus, I like the classic look. I went with Lumitec Mirage LED down lights in place of the ugly original fluorescent fixtures.

I’m using Nauga Soft for the headliner material.
 

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Well, I started my headliner replacement project. This is a very dirty job. The old headliner turns to dust when you start taking it down. Goodbye, Whisper Wall track. As I am tearing into the guts of this boat, I can see that the factory used scraps of wood and brads in many places; some things are screwed but nothing is “glued and screwed.”. That is a little disappointing.



I’m going with removable panels and using batten strips to cover the joint where two panels meet. This will make adding more lights, if necessary, or chasing future leaks, if any, easy in terms of access. Plus, I like the classic look. I went with Lumitec Mirage LED down lights in place of the ugly original fluorescent fixtures.



I’m using Nauga Soft for the headliner material.



Pics would be so appreciated. . I’ve never attempted such a project before and looking forward to giving it a shot.
 
Pics would be so appreciated. . I’ve never attempted such a project before and looking forward to giving it a shot.

I’ll take pics as I go. Today was all about getting that track down and the last strip of headliner where the two lights are on the port side. I had taken down the other strips months ago. Now that I have committed to a plan, it was time to get moving on it. Now, I am working on the massive clean up of the dust that the old headliner turned into when disturbed. That is taking about as long as the demolition. These boats are what I call a pretty small space and of course, the air conditioner has blown the dust on everything, and I mean everything. Not running the AC was just not an option (Miami). By the day’s end, I’ll also have to clean the AC filters.

I also had to get the blinds back up for now as I live on the boat and need the blinds for privacy as well as to keep the hot sun out during the day. At least I got that strip of 1/2” plywood down that was over the windows. I’m not sure what the purpose of that was, but it’s gone. All of that Whisper Wall track is out and headed for the dumpster. That was a monumental task as there are a bazillion staples in the perimeter piece. The headliner for the perimeter trim was stapled into the wood above and then wrapped around the WW track and stuffed into the crevice. You’ll see what I’m talking about when you take yours down. I don’t think I took a pic of that, but if I come across one, perhaps from months ago when I took the bulk of it down, I’ll post it. The staples holding up the track itself were easy to remove…just used leverage of the track when pulling it down and they came out. I had to remove a couple hundred screws first, though.

Now, I’m waiting on materials to arrive and lighting. In the meantime, I can start working on my cross members that I will use to support the edges of the panels - I need some pieces of wood running port-starboard, about every 4 feet. I’ll photo that as I do it. After that is up, I can start patterning the panels.

My break, here, has come to an end, and I must get back to cleaning up the mess. Like NewTrawlerOwner said, challenging, yes; impossible, no. I have done this before, so it’s not entirely new to me. I didn’t expect the old stuff to turn to dust though. I’d never use that stuff again. Not only that, but when it ages, it gets greasy before it gets sticky. Other headliner materials such as Nauga Soft, Naugahyde, and Morbern have never done that to me. I don’t know what’s so special about that Whisper Wall fabric, but I never want to see that stuff again and I don’t think this is something that needs to be done every 10 years - referencing what you were told the life expectancy of that fabric is; that’s ridiculous. The last headliner I removed was nearly 40 years old and still in great shape, but it had some discoloration and I wanted to start replacing it with a more modern fabric. It was the old perforated stuff. I didn’t get it all done before Hurricane Irma came along and that was that.
 
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