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DDW said:
Some parts of the US are already there, in fact well past that. Some parts will never get there because they are populated by vax deniers. Education level seems to be the best predictor of which is which. The US is at the point that anyone that wants a shot can get a shot. Around here you can walk into any drug store and get one straight away.
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"Vax deniers"? Hmmm. I call them freedom and liberty lovers. "Education level seems to be the best predictor of which is which." Hmmmm...yep. What I thought. Well shucks, some of them peoples don't even know what that new fangled 'lectricity is...

To quote the "brain trust": MY BODY. MY CHOICE.

Your arrogance and condescension could not be any more despicable. But it is predictable based on some people's view of the world. And by the way, I'm fully vaccinated. As is my wife. But see...that was OUR CHOICE.
 
^^ Just quoting the studies. There have been more than a few and they all agree. Education, followed by voting preference, are the biggest predictors. I've not advocated that people be forced to get the vaccine without qualification. Nevertheless, if Europe and Canada decide not to let Americans across their border because the vax rates are too low, it affects the freedom and liberty of all of us, including those like me and you who opted to get vaxed. I would prefer them to say, "you aren't welcome unless you are vaccinated", then it would become a personal choice.
 
Northern Spy said:
I participated in a focus group sponsored by the BC Tourist Board for the timing and materials of this campaign some weeks back. The goal is specifically to get British Columbians (lower mainlanders) travelling around the province (and spending some money) to keep the hard hit tourist places afloat. It must be working. The ferries are packed with overloads and waits.
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I believe the term we recently coined for that is "staycation"... And it works!
 
localboy said:
"Vax deniers"? Hmmm. I call them freedom and liberty lovers. "Education level seems to be the best predictor of which is which." Hmmmm...yep. What I thought. Well shucks, some of them peoples don't even know what that new fangled 'lectricity is...

To quote the "brain trust": MY BODY. MY CHOICE.

Your arrogance and condescension could not be any more despicable. But it is predictable based on some people's view of the world. And by the way, I'm fully vaccinated. As is my wife. But see...that was OUR CHOICE.
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https://apnews.com/article/technolo...sinformation-50d081bad2f76f097b6de57356ef8ab0
 
RT Firefly said:
Greetings,
Mr. BK. Interesting comment in that article. " Teachers, he said, should expand lessons on media literacy and critical thinking." Is critical thinking even taught in schools any more?
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Not taught "critical thinking" at school but somehow picked it up, useful for my (retired) profession. I suspect teachers here would only teach criticism of conservative views while favoring strange 'personal pronouns", like "they" for one person.
 
BruceK said:
Not taught "critical thinking" at school but somehow picked it up, useful for my (retired) profession. I suspect teachers here would only teach criticism of conservative views while favoring strange 'personal pronouns", like "they" for one person.
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So true, Bruce.
My son yesterday pointed out an article pertaining to the US Navy and it's current state of training. Most Officers surveyed stated that they felt their crews were not adequately trained and drilled in "warfare" and ship's operation (like piloting, navigation, etc.), but they had spent lots of time on diversity, harassment, and "personal pronouns" and the Officers felt those areas were "well covered". :eek:
 
Billr2019 said:
And how will they verify?
I am not vaccinated and will not be.
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Are you suggesting that you could lie about it?

The CDC has the data, and presumably it can be checked in real time. Nothing will get the border closed again faster than people cheating.
 
Here we can download our Covid Vax history, date, place,vax type, onto our phones. There it is,ready to show to anyone you have to inform.
I`m sure Billr2019 will readily accept that unqualified, he cannot enter Canada.

We also have a "QR Code" system for logging in when visiting business premises. It`s on your phone, easy to do,if an infection risk at the premises while you were there transpires, the contact tracers can contact you asap. Great system.
 
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Billr has not been boarded by the Mounties, I'm guessing.
 
I would love it if Canada would allow fully vaccinated US citizens entry by mid-August. I’m scheduled to take a two week vacation at the end of August/beginning of Sept. I’d love be to be able to return to BC waters.

I already have to show my passport when entering Canada, and won’t mind at all showing my vaccination record. Personally, I’d prefer to see Canada and the US ONLY allow fully vaccinated individuals across the border. It would reduce the risk for all.
 
Billr2019 said:
And how will they verify?
I am not vaccinated and will not be.
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I'd be absolutely shocked if they don't require verifiable proof. So looks like you may not be going to Canada for a long time with nothing to blame but your own selfishness.
 
Right now it takes a fair amount of proof for a Canadian to enter Canada. Have to download an app (AriveCAN) and have photos of both vaccination certificates.
 
dhays said:
I would love it if Canada would allow fully vaccinated US citizens entry by mid-August. I’m scheduled to take a two week vacation at the end of August/beginning of Sept. I’d love be to be able to return to BC waters.

I already have to show my passport when entering Canada, and won’t mind at all showing my vaccination record. Personally, I’d prefer to see Canada and the US ONLY allow fully vaccinated individuals across the border. It would reduce the risk for all.
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+1 :thumb:

For many years, BC has been an important part of our lives. It's been missed.
 
I'd expect them to use the ArriveCAN app, and would expect they would migrate to something better than a photo of the vax card. I can print those at home and there is a bit of a market doing that and selling them. A doctor just got arrested here for providing some sort of bogus homeopathic "vaccine" and supplying bogus cards to go with them. If you got the real thing, there is a real medical record of it.

I'm also hoping that Canada will retain the ArriveCAN app in the future and use it like the CBPRoam app. It is certainly convenient in places like Rupert-Ketchikan.
 
dhays said:
I would love it if Canada would allow fully vaccinated US citizens entry by mid-August. I’m scheduled to take a two week vacation at the end of August/beginning of Sept. I’d love be to be able to return to BC waters.
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I hope to see you there. I'm leaving for the boat tomorrow; plan to be afloat until September 1 at least.
Bill
 
DDW said:
I'd expect them to use the ArriveCAN app, and would expect they would migrate to something better than a photo of the vax card. I can print those at home and there is a bit of a market doing that and selling them. A doctor just got arrested here for providing some sort of bogus homeopathic "vaccine" and supplying bogus cards to go with them. If you got the real thing, there is a real medical record of it.

I'm also hoping that Canada will retain the ArriveCAN app in the future and use it like the CBPRoam app. It is certainly convenient in places like Rupert-Ketchikan.
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I like the app as well. We in BC have electronic health records we can access, just not integrated with the Feds. I am pretty sure we will see a vaccination passport of some form or another. Getting two countries to agree is hard enough. Hard to imagine getting the world to agree.

My wifes record is a handwritten card (from the Province). Mine (from a private pharmacy) is a bunch of stickers stuck to a ripped off piece of paper, with one sticker taken right off the vial, the other is an actual prescription. Hers was done early on as she is a healthcare worker, and really isn't very convincing, and would be easy to duplicate. Mine has a bit of credibility, because no one would forge something so crude.
 
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American society and individual freedoms

In the United States there is am emphasis on individual freedoms. Free speech, freedom to carry guns, freedom to not vaccinate. Unfortunately these freedoms come with consequences. Incitement of riots and factual misrepresentation, increased gun violence and increased virus spread. So if Canada insists on a covid test and two vaccines then there may be a lot of disappointed Americans, who aren't vaccinated and who don't have their freedoms accepted as they are escorted back across the border.
 
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Freedom to choose comes with owning the consequences and ramification of your choices. If an anti-vaxxer complains about not being allowed into Canada or anywhere else, well, own it. It’s your choice.
 
twistedtree said:
Freedom to choose comes with owning the consequences and ramification of your choices. If an anti-vaxxer complains about not being allowed into Canada or anywhere else, well, own it. It’s your choice.
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+1 :thumb:And not in a mean spirited way. Just with choice, comes outcomes (consequences). "Not very often do we "get it all" the way we want".
In this case, if someone wants to exercise what they see as their right to not vaccinate, and a Country decides that because of that choice they do not want to risk you visiting, then so be it. Your choice, their choice. There are many reasons why a person might not be allowed into a particular Country.:angel:
 
As a US born citizen I am not required to have any id other than the birth certificate that was issued when I was born. I am not required by law to have a copy of it.

Granted, if I want certain privileges then I need to have it. If I want to drive, get a professional license, get married, run for office, serve in the military, rent or buy a house etc, get a job, etc....

If I want to leave the US and enter another country, I need a passport and likely proof of vaccination.

My vaccine Record is a hand written card. My first dose was in December as a health care provider. However I can download an official record from the WA State Dept of Health. I wish there was some sort of Federal Record, but that is a political problem so it another area where politics trump's public health.
 
Billr2019 said:
And how will they verify?
I am not vaccinated and will not be.
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And won't be allowed into Canada. Your choice, of course. Have no desire to enter Canada? Then none of this matters to you. Canada gets to do what they want for Canada. None of our (US) business.
 
Billr2019 said:
And how will they verify?
I am not vaccinated and will not be.
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How will they verify? Simple, by any means CANADA determines satisfy THEIR requirements. Can't meet their requirements? Well, you won't be allowed in.
 
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