Advice on weird looking trawler.

[Tom.B]

And with that,maybe you are headed down the smarter path. Get a smaller, more affordable, and better condition coastal cruiser now. Learn what it REALLY takes to be a yachtsman. THEN, should the burr get in your saddle, either sell the coastal cruiser and buy a DeFever, Krogan, (insert another blue water boat name here) and "have at it, boy", OR do as you like and ship it to Europe of Fiji for $1000/ft. Either way, IMHO, it's the smarter move. Because... TBH... I am seeing you as the college kid that buys a Hayabusa as their FIRST motorcycle and goes out and slides under a gas truck and tastes his own blood (circa Sam Kinison). No need to rush into this (unless you are Tony B). If you are just now hitting 40... You have a long time to enjoy boating.

 

[waterhawk]

GonzoF1 wrote:
And with that,maybe you are headed down the smarter path. Get a smaller, more affordable, and better condition coastal cruiser now. Learn what it REALLY takes to be a yachtsman. THEN, should the burr get in your saddle, either sell the coastal cruiser and buy a DeFever, Krogan, (insert another blue water boat name here) and "have at it, boy", OR do as you like and ship it to Europe of Fiji for $1000/ft. Either way, IMHO, it's the smarter move. Because... TBH... I am seeing you as the college kid that buys a Hayabusa as their FIRST motorcycle and goes out and slides under a gas truck and tastes his own blood (circa Sam Kinison). No need to rush into this (unless you are Tony B). If you are just now hitting 40... You have a long time to enjoy boating.

*Ok... I'm with you,, except I still got that thin layer, sphere of invulnerability to use up quickish....

but yeah, I'm accepting that (begrudgingly ) ,,,

$1000/ft*** to ship,, are you ****ting me ??? (sorry for explicitive)**** well, that's a deal breaker... really?? (markpierce,, really? is that ~ what you paid to cargo your boat?? you rich phuck!!! )

hmm, well, I am settling on a craft adequate for Western hemisphere traversing,, I know this has been hashed and hashed and re-hashed but given current environment, do you all ( or ya'll whatever) think that a Fiberglass boat is sufficient... I'm really focused on steel because of the edge-case horror stories, but can would like to hear the glories of Fiberglass for cost reasons, for West hemisphere coastal cruising...

 

[FF]

The chance of a debris collision is so small , most folks simply ignore it.

The Yellowstone Caldera can blow at any min, San Fran can shake down today , a comet cam plop down on your car..

So what?

The usual GRP reasoning is that the boat can be very maint free , and more importantly IF the solid Grp is not maintained the boat does not suffer.

Leave wood to get wet and dry , and dry rot will make it GONE!

Allow rust anywhere on a steel boat and it too leaves.

It would tale a great stretch to imagine how debris from Japan could get into the Carib , with out being air dropped in.

An ocean crossing* 35 ft GRP sailboat can be had for $20K , just ask.

A white bottom paint is claimed to reduce whale strikes , if you worry.

An offshore power boat with cruising range and scantlings is very rare , so very expen$ive.


-- Edited by FF on Tuesday 26th of July 2011 04:00:19 AM

 

[Tidahapah]

OK mate you are set on getting an ocean crosser.
Look around the used boat yards see if you can find an incomplete hull.
Are you a handy engineer, welder, sander, painter, cabinet maker etc.
Start a project and you can have your ocean crosser.
It may take a few years and all the money you earn will go into DA DREAM.
Sometimes it is worth it.
An ex steel fishing boat may be a good start.
I don't know if they are available in the US but can usually get something like that down our way.
That piece of scrap you listed in the first place is definately not the boat or start you want to take.

Go for it you just may succeed.
You get nothing by just standing on the footpath.

 

[JohnP]

Waterhawk,

If you want to cross the Ocean to get to the other side-- Take a plane or a cruise ship!

If it is a goal to achieve in your own boat, and you don't have 500k to 1million dollars to invest.* Get A Sailboat!

Otherwise if you want a nice 6000mile goal have you thought about doing The Loop?

You could do that in a Chriscraft or whatever, no problem.

It is still an accomplishment, few people really* make the time for.

JohnP

 

[Tomas]

Take a look at http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/Cheoy-Lee-Trawler-40-Lrc-2097688/Northport/NY/United-States

A 1977 model of this boat motored from Hong Kong to Ft. Lauderdale in 1977. Some modifications were made, ie, one 200 gallon water tank was converted to fuel and provisions were made for protecting the windows in heavey weather (not used during the voyage), otherwise a stock trawler. As a former sailboat cruiser I don't think I would want to take the trip, but if it's your thing, go for it!

 

[waterhawk]

Tidahapah wrote:
OK mate you are set on getting an ocean crosser.
Look around the used boat yards see if you can find an incomplete hull.
Are you a handy engineer, welder, sander, painter, cabinet maker etc.
Start a project and you can have your ocean crosser.
It may take a few years and all the money you earn will go into DA DREAM.
Sometimes it is worth it.
An ex steel fishing boat may be a good start.
I don't know if they are available in the US but can usually get something like that down our way.
That piece of scrap you listed in the first place is definately not the boat or start you want to take.

Go for it you just may succeed.
You get nothing by just standing on the footpath.

*Yeah,, I'm not that motivated for that project, wish I were, I know it would be fulfilling...

But I need something pre-packaged..

HAH!! beauty--beholder...**** I'm done with it though,, I agree with surveyor1 though,,, it looks like a tough boat,, but the weirdness/ugliness is too much...* Who nows, those may be super reinforced windows...

 

[waterhawk]

Tomas wrote:
Take a look at http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/Cheoy-Lee-Trawler-40-Lrc-2097688/Northport/NY/United-States

A 1977 model of this boat motored from Hong Kong to Ft. Lauderdale in 1977. Some modifications were made, ie, one 200 gallon water tank was converted to fuel and provisions were made for protecting the windows in heavey weather (not used during the voyage), otherwise a stock trawler. As a former sailboat cruiser I don't think I would want to take the trip, but if it's your thing, go for it!

*Interesting.. thanks for that link.* I like the concept and will think about it.

I'm still considering the Sailboat path, from the steady input, but would prefer a Trawler type rig...

 

[Tony B]

I would love to offfer more advice but you will need some sort of profile for me to do it.
We dont know your age, your skill levels or your location. These are sometimes important in replys. As of right now you are contemplating a world voyage which could cost upwards of $80,000 for fuel alone in a trawler. This don't count running generator at times, docking fees, and little things like food and repairs in what could be a 2 to 5 or more year trip.


-- Edited by Tony B on Tuesday 26th of July 2011 08:29:15 AM

 

[waterhawk]

Tony B wrote:
I would love to offfer more advice but you will need some sort of profile for me to do it.
We dont know your age, your skill levels or your location. These are sometimes important in replys. As of right now you are contemplating a world voyage which could cost upwards of $80,000 for fuel alone in a trawler. This don't count running generator at times, docking fees, and little things like food and repairs in what could be a 2 to 5 or more year trip.



-- Edited by Tony B on Tuesday 26th of July 2011 08:29:15 AM

*Yeah, understand the fuel thing, I like the topic about the para-sails and such... Was looking at some electric motors to run off generator and solar,,, even a hydrogen combustion engine type setup...

Hah, well I have a feel for the scope of what I'm getting into, and researching it.* The plan is to for sure do coastal cruises on this side and prep/research for a crossing...

But I want to make sure I get the right boat now,, just concerned about buying/selling boat for each purpose, would rather just get the right one first...

*

I'm almost 40, when people ask me what I do I usually say 'computer-jockey' , when I'm scouting for job my resume says 'engineer', meh,, yeah, I work for a living.** I can usually line up work to work remote/offsite (even off satellite uplink)..

I'm single and looking * (have 2 girls** ,,, some people call them pets, but that offends me)

I'm an adventurous person, lot's of remote hiking,

I'm a transient, so I'm not really located anywhere, I move a lot for job.

I am fairly practical and would say a JoaT* -- all the basics, plumbing, electrical, carpentry, ok at welding after I run beads that look the surface of the moon and about as wide for awhile...

*

 

[JD]

waterhawk wrote:But I want to make sure I get the right boat now,, just concerned about buying/selling boat for each purpose, would rather just get the right one first...

I'm not trying to put a damper on things but I think this is the most unrealistic of all your requests.* I just*don't see this happening.* Without deep pockets that is.

I would think most of us on this list have had several boats in our lives and can point to things on each we liked and things we didn't.* The hard part is there are thing we didn't like on a boat but then after loosing them on the next boat we miss them or understand them better and would like them back again.

Good luck in your quest.

 

[Tony B]

M final advise here is to get an ocean capable sailboat and go cruising where ever you want - coastal or open ocean. The sailboat I currently own has a sister ship that left my marina about 2 years ago and is now in NewZealand. The owner sailed it from the Texas Coast - Galveston bay down through the panama canal and across the pacific. My boat is one of the more desireable styles for this kinda trip. Very reasonably priced and very capable.
Good luck in whatever you decide.

 

[FF]

My advice would be to read some books to find out about boats in general, and how cruising is done.

 

[JohnP]

Have you seen the TV show "The Deadliest Catch" on the Discovery Channel?

Interesting show on crabbing in Alaska.* The commercial Trawlers are shown out at Sea doing there thing.

The point is you can see how the large seas and winds affect those vessels.

White water crashing over the decks and pilothouse,* 70' steel boats tossed like corks.

This could go on for days,* and if a real storm hits you are lucky just to keep your bow into the weather and may not make any headway.

Picture whatever boat you consider purchasing out in the same conditions or worse-Your life depends on the right decision.

Want Adventure?* Hop a freighter for a round the world trip,* some used to take a few passengers.**

JohnP

*

 

[waterhawk]

Tony B wrote:
M final advise here is to get an ocean capable sailboat and go cruising where ever you want - coastal or open ocean. The sailboat I currently own has a sister ship that left my marina about 2 years ago and is now in NewZealand. The owner sailed it from the Texas Coast - Galveston bay down through the panama canal and across the pacific. My boat is one of the more desireable styles for this kinda trip. Very reasonably priced and very capable.
Good luck in whatever you decide.

*I wish I could scoop up that Ketch, looks nice..

I'm very active person, but can get really LAZY sometimes, just can't see myself in sailboat fulltime...

 

[waterhawk]

JohnP wrote:
Have you seen the TV show "The Deadliest Catch" on the Discovery Channel?

Interesting show on crabbing in Alaska.* The commercial Trawlers are shown out at Sea doing there thing.

The point is you can see how the large seas and winds affect those vessels.

White water crashing over the decks and pilothouse,* 70' steel boats tossed like corks.

This could go on for days,* and if a real storm hits you are lucky just to keep your bow into the weather and may not make any headway.

Picture whatever boat you consider purchasing out in the same conditions or worse-Your life depends on the right decision.

Want Adventure?* Hop a freighter for a round the world trip,* some used to take a few passengers.**

JohnP

*

*Yeah, of course I watch it, who here doesn't.* I watch those waves go overboard and was across the deck, and bang into the bridge... Did you see that clip of the Capt. on the NorthWestern, where he freaks out yelling 'get down get down' at camera guy! He was totally freaked,, you get a guy like that freaking out I would've been down in duck'n'cover in seconds..

*

BUT,, from what I understand and have read and heard, a lot of that is just bucking and rolling and splashing,, if you aren't on deck and you don't capsize and you know how to navigate your rig through the peaks and troughs properly,,, it's doable, albeit scarry, but doable for the properly trained capt...

 

[Tom.B]

Those guys are in 100+ foot displacement boats with hundreds of tons of below water weight (engines, seawater, crab). You've seen the episodes where they have to SCRAMBLE to get pots into the water before a storm, right? Top heavy + no 300,000 lbs of crab in the hold to keep them steady means they too are worried about flipping over and sinking. I'm not sure the weight of a couple of Perkins engines in a 40' hull in 50' seas will yield the results we see from them.

 

[Woodsong]

I want to see a lot of things from the helm of my Monk but 50' seas is NOT one of them!!!

 

[markpierce]

On two occasions*I've been in 50-foot-plus waves in the Atlantic, but those were in 965-foot, 93K-ton ships.* That's one reason why I don't plan any transoceanic voyages in a boat.

(The flatware, plates/bowls of food, drinking glasses, chairs,*people,*etc., ended up on the floor soon after this photo.)**


-- Edited by markpierce on Wednesday 27th of July 2011 02:08:19 PM

 

[BaltimoreLurker]

markpierce wrote:
On two occasions*I've been in 50-foot-plus waves in the Atlantic, but those were in 965-foot, 93K-ton ships.* That's one reason why I don't plan any transoceanic voyages in a boat.

*Looks like "fly over" country, if you ask me!

 

[LarryW]

Wow. Brings back memories of standing on bridge looking up at waves while in the Navy late 60's in the North Atlantic.
Larryw

 

[ARoss]

Speaking about "Deadliest Catch" -- who is taking the photos from in front of, or beside those trawlers when they're bouncing around like that??

 

[Codger2]

ARoss wrote:
*-- who is taking the photos from in front of, or beside those trawlers when they're bouncing around like that??

*Most are from boom mounted camers but for the hard shots IG 32s are used. :xd:

 

[waterhawk]

SeaHorse II wrote:ARoss wrote:
*-- who is taking the photos from in front of, or beside those trawlers when they're bouncing around like that??

*Most are from boom mounted camers but for the hard shots IG 32s are used. :xd:

*The episode I just watched last night, was on my DVR, so not exactly sure, but it was 'behind the scenes' episode for season 7..

It was really cool, all about the camera crew.

 

[dwhatty]

SeaHorse II wrote:... but for the hard shots IG 32s are used. :xd:

LOL. Been chartering Seahorse II for the photo shoots? I thought that you were looking a bit green around the gills Walt.

 

[Baker]

Sorry, but I didn't have the time to read this whole thread. The boat on the left in the header up there is for sale. It is very thick fiberglass...and could be modified(tankage) to cross bigger water. He is asking under 30k.

 

[Tony B]

That boat is much prettier in person than in that picture. On a "cool" scale of 1 to 10 - this is a 9.5. Not to mention the great fuel economy.

I have lived aboard a much smaller boat.

Here is your opportunity. From your $50K you have for a boat, you will have about $23K change back. That could finance a nice river trip.

I vote 'go for it'.



-- Edited by Tony B on Wednesday 27th of July 2011 09:14:33 PM


-- Edited by Tony B on Wednesday 27th of July 2011 09:21:52 PM

 

[Baker]

Many memories on Boomarang!!!!

 

[FF]

Just look at the windows of any dream boat.

1/4 glass ??? or 1 inch with reinforced mounts?

Our 33 ft ,90/90 uses heavy bronze WWII liberty ship ports , 12inch diameter with 3/4 glass , AND aluminum dead lights , just in case.

A smaller boat has it easier staying on top, and with a modest depth keel yeilding to the blows , but green water crashing aboard is a given , even with higher free board.

 

[RickB]

ARoss wrote:
Speaking about "Deadliest Catch" --

*Those boats don't ride well even in good weather.

*

*


-- Edited by RickB on Friday 29th of July 2011 04:07:07 AM