Aging gracefully with a boat?

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Some of these things are hard to avoid since they are nonstop on TV ads and all over the internet. Weight, prostate issues, aging, arthritis, sexual iissues, brain power, building muscle, increasing HGH and testosterone, etc, etc. There are many magical natural pills and diets for all of these of these, just take your pick! I also know people who will never go to a doctor because they just google their symptoms and are sure they have it all figured out.

What is also very hard to miss is the long list of side effects from prescription drugs on TV. What I get a kick out of is when they say if you are allergic to...? tell your doctor. :facepalm:
 
What is also very hard to miss is the long list of side effects from prescription drugs on TV. What I get a kick out of is when they say if you are allergic to...? tell your doctor. :facepalm:

Agreed! That is one of my favorite lines as well. Legal disclaimers....
 
Wife and I are both 64. We have discussed this (as I think most responsible boat owners over 55 do) and agree when the footing starts to be an issue or the hands and strength start to fail or we start making too many "little" mental slips, we will (try) to be honest enough with ourselves to say "it's time to sell".
 
TF'ers on the whole are likely healthier than the average person their age, simply by being more active.

My keys to aging gracefully with a boat:

1. It starts young and this is where in the US we're still doing a lousy job. One needs to maintain a healthy weight. I don't believe in extreme diets or exercise until or unless the condition is extreme. If you're 100 pounds overweight, it's time to take extreme measures. Childhood obesity remains at epidemic levels. We do watch our weight by weighing daily as we simply don't want to let it get away from us. Easier to prevent than to lose later. Sorry, working on the engine isn't exercise. While it's an activity that helps, make sure while boating, you're still walking enough.

2. Lifestyle choices. Smoking, alcohol, drugs. Eventually your body will pay for all. However, one other lifestyle grouping and that is sleep and leisure time. Sleep is often overlooked and many brag about how little they need but they're fooling themselves. Our bodies need time to recover. Also leisure time to relieve stress. If your boat becomes a job, back away.

3. Preventive medicine-physical. This isn't just those normally thought of like vaccines, but it is regular medical care. Periodic labs and tests can give clues as to what is possibly going to happen and allow you to prevent it. They can catch that something is wrong that needs investigating.

4. Preventive medicine-mental health. Aging is tough and more so for some than others. There is a psychological term I like called "Radical Acceptance." We all need that over the years. It's tough at 50 not being able to do what I could at 30 but I imagine it will be tougher at 70 not to be able to do what I can today. How tough? Depends on my physical condition but depends more on my mental thoughts and handling of it. Boating is one of many things one must handle. Can I delegate more of the work? Can I change my approach? Can I slow down? Am I better off giving it all up? Those require thought and whether you work it out alone or with spouse or with a counselor you must work through it. Not doing so creates stress in addition to injury possibilities. Retirement is designed to be less stressful than earlier years. Bringing stress into it is never good for you. That's something we each must address. We all deal with things differently. For instance, owning a business doesn't stress me (although a bit during pandemics), but sickness or illness of someone close does. I know when my wife has her first major illness or injury, I'll be calm on the outside but tearing apart on the inside. I know when I have my first, seeing her worry will be stressful for me. I find the turmoil in our society stressful and my wife makes me back away. At the point owning a boat becomes more stressful than pleasurable, then one must make a change.

Unfortunately, there remain those things we can't anticipate and couldn't have prevented. We just have to deal with those as they come and until they hit, no real way to plan and handle well. I've seen the healthiest men turned into inactive, suffering men by back problems. I've seen healthy women taken down by diabetes. Then all the cancers. And heart attacks for those who had no warning signs. Lung diseases from exposures 50 years ago. Autoimmune diseases that we don't know the cause and have no cure for, just medicate and manage. It's all these possibilities that always tell me to have a Plan B and a Plan C and D. If I can no longer do X, Y, and Z, then how will I still be happy and enjoy life. Any thought that a good life is over when one has to move on from boating needs adjusting. I don't want to imagine no more boating, but in quiet times, we do. We think of Motorhome. We think of just being at home with friends and family and more music time. I'm a planner, even on those things I can't plan. At least by thinking them through I'm able to condition and protect myself. I know that if I live long enough, the day will come I no longer boat. I know as long as family and friends are near, I'll still find a way to be happy. Some can pretend it will never happen and I applaud them. However, I must consider it might happen and then imagine what I would do.
 
This is from the original poster

Less than one week ago I posted this simple question after having a bunch of system failures pile up on the way to my haul out. I was already burnt out from painting projects half done and bright work projects not done. Feeing a little down and beat up with a severe case of the "boater's blues".

I didn't think I would get the such a large response. (150 +) On the other hand, considering the average age on here, this is hardly surprising.

There are two harsh realities.

Harsh reality #1. As you age your physical and cognitive abilities diminish.
Mabey not at the same rate but you slow down.

Harsh reality #2. Trawlers and their systems are the most complex systems
around and shipwright work is very difficult and hard. You
have to be an electrician, electronics wizard, plumber,
mechanic and painter/detail guy.

And of course, boats live in harsh environment and need constant feeding and caring. ($$$$$$)

So thank you guys for the input. I see this question is alive and well thought of on this forum
 
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Less than one week ago I posted this simple question after having a bunch of system failures pile up on the way to my haul out. I was already burnt out from painting projects half done and bright work projects not done. Feeing a little down and beat up with a severe case of the "boater's blues".

I didn't think I would get the such a large response. (150 +) On the other hand, considering the average age on here, this is hardly surprising.

There are two harsh realities.

Harsh reality #1. As you age your physical and cognitive abilities diminish.
Mabey not at the same rate but you slow down.

Harsh reality #2. Trawlers and their systems are the most complex systems
around and shipwright work is very difficult and hard. You
have to be an electrician, electronics wizard, plumber,
mechanic and painter/detail guy.

And of course, boats live in harsh environment and need constant feeding and caring. ($$$$$$)

So thank you guys for the input. I see this question is alive and well thought of on this forum


Thanks for starting the thread and obviously hit a nerve with many of us even if it has veered in a lot of directions. I've already accepted your realities above. For me and my situation, I will pay others to do the work that I can no longer do or don't want to do. Just like my cars, there are some things that I would just rather pay to have done even if I can do them myself. When/if boating gets to the point where the enjoyment is no longer worth the cost, I will cash out. At least I have no boat loan, so whatever the price, it's money in my pocket I am not counting on. Hoping that's not anytime soon and there's nothing saying that this is my last boat either. Time will tell!
 
Like many of you, my wife and I are 65. Yep, genetics plays a big part. My dad lived to almost 90 - never spent a night in a hospital - I never recall him being sick. Fortunate me. I stay very active - hiked 300 miles of the Camino de Santiago in Spain four yrs ago, and hiked the John Muir Trail two yrs ago (205 miles). Heading to Alaska in August for auto touring and hiking trip. Starting the LOOP in Oct. Lets all keep active and keep going as long as we can. Any of you familiar with the Enneagram? I would wager a lot of us are 7's on that scale. :thumb:
 
Side effects: depression and suicidal thoughts.
Gotta love those 2.
 
Peter - Kaiser Permanente is known as the "Preventative" king of health institutions. There are two in my family for which Kaiser preventative medicine and surgeon-operation procedures has time and again saved their lives. Otherwise they would most likely/surely be dead.

Sure, sometimes they get it right, but often it could have been done a lot cheaper, is all...

Saying that, I must wonder how many persons [of lesser chutzpah than I] would have simply rolled over and let the incorrectly doctor recommended procedures go forward to completion. BTW - I had also asked for an echo cardiogram test but was so successful in the stress test that I let that pass.

Did anyone offer you 24 hour ambulatory BP monitoring before they started meds - they should have. Just sayin'...

And... although the detail depicted costs on paper came out to some $24K... the bill I paid was under $300 +/-; medications included. I can just imagine what the total would be if the next stage of stint introductions had occurred. Therefore, what you say regarding legal over-steps...???!!! :ermm:
Which is why your medical insurance costs so much, and...Art, the word is stent...s t e n t... :D
Well, I suppose if one is inclined to wait for the sweet discombobulated cognitive acuity of a potato, doing nothing is a great game plan.
Murray, in medicine we often refer to that plan as "masterful inactivity", and it is amazing how often that is the right way to go... :)
 
We give this to our aging dogs. Despite our vet telling us that there is no scientific proof that it does anything, our dogs have a much easier time climbing stairs.
Interesting, I never tried it on our arthritic dogs. We did use Vet prescribed Cartrophen which was effective, injected 3 monthly. Vet said it took a week or so to take effect but one dog climbed stairs she had stopped climbing, that very night. A Neuro thought it was hormonal. But, one dog rapidly grew a large malignant tumour, which stopped growing after the Cartrophen effective period peaked.
My tired knees are settling after moving a ton of firewood. They were greatly improved doing 4 easy daily exercises prescribed by a physio.
 
I’ve never had anyone claim a placebo effect in dogs, so when you give them something like glucosamine and they respond well, then, science needs to keep looking instead of shrugging.

If glucosamine causes a placebo effect for my knee pain while having a presumably therapeutic effect on many animals like dogs and horses…………….bless the placebo effect, I guess.
 
Which is why your medical insurance costs so much, and...Art, the word is stent...s t e n t... :D

Christ... I shulda knwn dat!

Heck... our 97 yr. old Matriarch has 5 in her arteries! All done by Kaiser! That hospital/insurance system saved her life many times.
 
Haven’t looked in to it but believe dogs do cognate sufficiently for a placebo effect to occur. If you pay empathetic attention to anyone for virtually any complaint you can get some degree of that effect. The other side of the equation is equally important. The observer (scorer) must also be blinded as to whether the “active” ingredient is actually being offered. Observation bias is a common and huge confounder. You give something you think should work. So you act like it did work. Even a dog can sense your expectations and will try to please you.
In recent years there’s been a big push for human physicians to respect and gain knowledge from our vet colleagues experience. Much to learn from them. Still, even without the FDA breathing down their necks a double blinded controlled clinical trial is the standard. Although the pig may be smarter dogs ain’t dumb.
 
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Hmph. You haven’t met my dog. How hiding a pill in a food bowl would allow them to cognate a response to begin climbing stairs and trotting where they were limping along before.

Until they learn to read, I’m cynical [emoji3]
 
Hmph. You haven’t met my dog. How hiding a pill in a food bowl would allow them to cognate a response to begin climbing stairs and trotting where they were limping along before.

Until they learn to read, I’m cynical [emoji3]

+1

My Border Collie mix is smart, but not that smart.
 
My previous dog, I had an expectation that he would live longer, guess he did not get the message.
My current dog read 5 languages by four months. I ask him to translate and he just barks. Go figure.
 
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Just washed down 2 caps of coconut oil, feeling great.
I thought everyone knew this but coconut oil is the highest in saturated fat
of all edible oils.
It is twice as saturated as pork fat and raises LDL levels to boot!
The American Heart Association recommends against consuming more than
13 g. of saturated fat per day and a tablespoon of coconut oil is about 12 g.

It feels nice on the skin and is a decent lubricant, though! ;)
 
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I thought everyone knew this but coconut oil is the highest in saturated fat
of all edible oils.
It is twice as saturated as pork fat and raises LDL levels to boot!
The American Heart Association recommends against consuming more than
13 g. of saturated fat per day and a tablespoon of coconut oil is about 12 g.

It feels nice on the skin and is a decent lubricant, though! ;)

Ever wonder how many of thier upper level staff die of sudden heart attacks even if they follow their own guidelines ???
 
I thought everyone knew this but coconut oil is the highest in saturated fat
of all edible oils.
It is twice as saturated as pork fat and raises LDL levels to boot!
The American Heart Association recommends against consuming more than
13 g. of saturated fat per day and a tablespoon of coconut oil is about 12 g.

It feels nice on the skin and is a decent lubricant, though! ;)

Believe coconut oil has twice the medium chain fats as palm oil, if that means anything.

I don't eat beef or pork (bacon) so have a little wiggle room in the fats department.

Agree on the recreational lubricant attributes :D
 
Even doctors indicate some fat on your bones will give you a better change of survival if you become very sick

True vegans take that 'no fat' too seriously. So many I have seen, seem to be approaching the "walking dead" visual.
 
Even doctors indicate some fat on your bones will give you a better change of survival if you become very sick

True vegans take that 'no fat' too seriously. So many I have seen, seem to be approaching the "walking dead" visual.
Fats in your diet do not translate to fat on your bones unless they are eaten to excess.
Fats are an essential part of any diet. Vegans don't lack for vegetable based fat choices.
The point I raised is that the fat in coconut oil is highly saturated and less desirable.
 
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...I don't eat beef or pork (bacon) so have a little wiggle room in the fats department...

Clarification: I will sometimes order a veggie burger with bacon in restaurants, half for nummyness and half for the quizzical look from servers.
 
Coconut oil contains natural saturated fats that increase HDL (good) cholesterol levels in your body. They may also help turn LDL (bad) cholesterol into a less harmful form. By increasing HDL, many experts believe that coconut oil may boost heart health compared with many other fats.
The American Heart Association recommends that only 5-6% of your fat intake should be saturated. In other words, if you're on a diet of 2,000 calories a day, you should consume around 13 grams of saturated fat per day
AHA says
There is no randomized clinical trial that determined the effect of coconut oil on cardiovascular events such as myocardial infarction, heart failure, or stroke.
 
The motto of the Ulysses Motor Cycle Club is "Grow Old Disgracefully". It`s no quasi criminal gang,members are "mature aged" often wealthy owners of high end motorcycles.

Love it. Checked out their website and FB page. Too bad there isn't a Canadian branch of the club.
 
I don't disagree, but won't eat them for several reasons...just like I don't buy commercially caught fish of any type.

Acting locally, thinking globally.

So you don't buy any fish? If they're caught and sold to you, then they were commercially caught.

You do realize if most people followed this rule, they'd never eat a fish in their lives.
 
I don't disagree, but won't eat them for several reasons...just like I don't buy commercially caught fish of any type.

Acting locally, thinking globally.

Does that include farmed fish or only wild caught?
 
So you don't buy any fish? If they're caught and sold to you, then they were commercially caught.

You do realize if most people followed this rule, they'd never eat a fish in their lives.

Does that include farmed fish or only wild caught?

No Earth shaking stuff here, just a personal choice based on information I've become aware of.

Commercial fishing isn't what it was. Technology has made the industry far more efficient than it used to be. Governments have proven time and again that they do not regulate things well, as falling stocks and a global diminishing in the diversity of ocean species demonstrates. Huge factory ships have changed the game with both environmental and sociological impacts.

One example of sociological impacts would be Somali pirates:

After the collapse of the Somali government and the dispersal of the Somali Navy, international fishing vessels began to conduct illegal fishing in Somali territorial waters. This depleted local fish stocks, and Somali fishing communities responded by forming armed groups to deter the invaders.

These groups, using small boats, would sometimes hold vessels and crew for ransom. This grew into a lucrative trade, with large ransom payments. The pirates then began hijacking commercial vessels. With the region badly affected by poverty and government corruption, there was little political motivation at the local level to deal with the crisis. Large numbers of unemployed Somali youth began to see it as a means of supporting their families.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_off_the_coast_of_Somalia

Given the continuing rise in Human numbers as fish stocks and species variation fall...can this continue?

Don't buy canned tuna with 'Dolphin Safe' labels either. Did you know companies purchase the right to put that on their labels, and there is little to no inspection of vessels or oversight of fishing practices? So what's the point? Marketing over management:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realsp...s-on-canned-tuna-are-a-fraud/?sh=67fb0bcc295e

Like I say...no biggie here...just one person making choices where my money goes.

*Edit* One more bit...

A total of 28.7 million mt of bycatch and 27.0 million mt of discard is estimated for world marine fisheries, although this total is considered to be conservative in that data are not included for many invertebrate fisheries, recreational fisheries, and subsistence fisheries.

http://www.fao.org/3/t4890e/T4890E03.htm

55,700,000 metric tonnes = 122,540,000,000 pounds of 'collateral damage'.
 
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