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In case you are on limited bandwidth, I believe their boat is a Cheoy Lee 53 LRC. They have massive fuel tanks and loooooong range. Their boat is also set up for ocean work, so they have basically two of everything in "warm replacement" position (water pumps, autopilots, engines, you-name-it).

They also have watermaker, washer and dryer, freezer, etc. for human comfort. And they are experienced boaters who have been up the Inside Passage many times, including long, multi-day runs. So they are well equipped in all ways for a non-stop transit (obviously weather could have anyone anchoring, but I don't know of any reason they would need to get off the boat).
 
To answer a question...

You could transit through Canadian waters between washington state and alaska via the inside passage and never have to clear canadian or US customs.

Boats do this every week. All of our groceries in south Central Alaska are delivered this way fro example.

The rules for this are simple...

Do not stop in Canada.
Do not drop your anchor.
Do not embark or discharge passangers

The distance is something between six and seven hundred miles i believe, and again boats do this every week.

If you follow those rules you are never actually in Canada according to international agreements between our two countries.
 
DNT99611 said:
Like always the numbers can be slanted to support what you want them to say. In this case a large number of Alaskans are under 18 and vaccines are not recommended for them. Google says 24.6% of Alaskans are under 18 and should not be included in the count. Also it was just opened up to all so the numbers should go up quickly.
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I agree with your premise stated in the first sentence.

Such as the age issue. Just because vaccines are not currently used for under 18 (or 16 for one I believe) does not mean that the age group can be removed from the risk discussion when discussing how many of the population may or may not have significantly mitigated transmission rates. All ages have now been found to contract the disease, transmit it to others, and - though the rate is much lower than other age categories - perish from the disease.

So I and a lot of others would be more comfortable with including them in the unvaccinated percentage of the population when discussing the situation overall, than excluding them. And presumably most kids will be eligible for vaccination (and ought to be vaccinated) eventually.

Sorry, the goalposts must be moved occasionally.
 
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OldDan1943 said:
I know of one mom and pop business that specialized in pheasant hunting. It was not too far from Detroit. The season was always booked solid. The bird’s had their upper beak clipped so they could not feed in the wild. Make a reservation, they would release the necessary birds for one to shoot. If the group did not shoot their quota, over time the birds would die...
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Speaking from the pheasant hunting capital of North America, that makes absolutely no sense to me.
 
"Who wants to leave their boat in AK come fall, if the rules change? Who knows what AK might announce in the coming months?"

How about travel 24/7 from Alaska to Washington? That's at least an important part about what trawlers are all about.
 
Announced today: all adults in Prince Rupert and Port Edward to be vaccinated by the end of this month.

Such is the threat to northern coastal communities.
 
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Kevin (ksanders) wrote;

“ The rules for this are simple...

Do not stop in Canada.
Do not drop your anchor.
Do not embark or discharge passangers”

I think I read you can anchor or stop in port and get groceries or/and fuel now. On a predetermined route. May require checking in. ??
 
Nomad Willy said:
Kevin (ksanders) wrote;

“ The rules for this are simple...

Do not stop in Canada.
Do not drop your anchor.
Do not embark or discharge passangers”

I think I read you can anchor or stop in port and get groceries or/and fuel now. On a predetermined route. May require checking in. ??
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Two different concepts...

If you do not stop, or anchor you can pass through The Canadian territorial waters and never clear customs.

If you stop, you must clear customs into Canada, and then back out into the US upon departure.
 
Nomad Willy said:
Kevin (ksanders) wrote;

“ The rules for this are simple...

Do not stop in Canada.
Do not drop your anchor.
Do not embark or discharge passangers”

I think I read you can anchor or stop in port and get groceries or/and fuel now. On a predetermined route. May require checking in. ??
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Yes, that requires checking in. That way they talk to you, get to hear you say that you understand the rules and will follow them.
 
This is directly from the Canadian government web site linked below.

Reporting exceptions
Foreign national boaters

If you enter Canadian waters, you are not required to present yourself and report your goods to the CBSA if you:

do not land on Canadian soil and do not anchor, moor or make contact with another conveyance while in Canadian waters
do not embark or disembark people or goods in Canada
If at any point during the transit you come to port, anchor, moor or make contact with another vessel, you must report to the CBSA immediately.

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/pb-pp-eng.html#s2
 
MurrayM said:
Announced today: all adults in Prince Rupert and Port Edward to be vaccinated by the end of this month.

Such is the threat to northern coastal communities.
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What Murray said, is happening because COVID-19 is spreading so much in Prince Rupert (pop. ≤,15,000).

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/covid-19-is-s...be-available-to-all-adults-by-april-1.5341432

Add to that, there have been vaccinated seniors in two other communities who have gotten COVID-19.

This thing could continue to hamper travel and border openings.

What happens to an Oregon boater who breaks a windlass or fries something forcing a 30A plug into a 50A outlet and gets holed up along the way?
 
soin2la said:
...What happens to an Oregon boater who breaks a windlass or fries something forcing a 30A plug into a 50A outlet and gets holed up along the way?
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Shake the mothballs out of BC's D'Arcy Island leper colony? :D
 
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ksanders said:
This is directly from the Canadian government web site linked below.

Reporting exceptions
Foreign national boaters

If you enter Canadian waters, you are not required to present yourself and report your goods to the CBSA if you:

do not land on Canadian soil and do not anchor, moor or make contact with another conveyance while in Canadian waters
do not embark or disembark people or goods in Canada
If at any point during the transit you come to port, anchor, moor or make contact with another vessel, you must report to the CBSA immediately.

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/pb-pp-eng.html#s2
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Kevin,
Hasn’t that been the case for many years in normal times? When the fishermen go north in the spring (April 15) they went mostly in packs/groups and traveled as you say above.
Now that I reflect a bit perhaps they did anchor at night. Never seen a fishboat at customs on Pender Is. Maybe you know?
 
ksanders said:
This is directly from the Canadian government web site linked below.

Reporting exceptions
Foreign national boaters

If you enter Canadian waters, you are not required to present yourself and report your goods to the CBSA if you:

do not land on Canadian soil and do not anchor, moor or make contact with another conveyance while in Canadian waters
do not embark or disembark people or goods in Canada
If at any point during the transit you come to port, anchor, moor or make contact with another vessel, you must report to the CBSA immediately.

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/pb-pp-eng.html#s2
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You just had to post that. Now ASD has no excuse left.
 
None of us on here have a vessel that can travel non stop to Alaska. In our area you almost certainly can not time all the currents and weather going the speed you would need to save fuel to get that mileage out of your tanks other than that of Sea Venture.

They have such a great attitude and feel privileged and thankful they were given the opportunity to do the passage. Unlike a few on here that can only plagiarize ACT’s from the dawn of Christ, and stick your chest out in a huff.

I have done a lot of travel and seen this attitude first hand in many countries, so it doesn’t just happen in our country, and usually gets you no where like now. Again you do have a choice follow the rules, stay home with your boat and enjoy supporting your local mom and pop marinas in your area with no masks. As we will enjoy our empty anchorages up here with abundant Dungies on the grill.

There is so much debris in the water this year, transiting at night or low light would be not recommended.

Cheers to 2021 cruising, be safe it’s your CHOICE or NOT!
 
What Murray reported about PR getting all adults vaccinated I predict will become a norm after 70+ get done in March.
Thereafter I bet they will concentrate on hot spots like Surrey and expand out from those hotspots instead of continuing with an age related vaccination.
 
Okydowky said:
None of us on here have a vessel that can travel non stop to Alaska. In our area you almost certainly can not time all the currents and weather going the speed you would need to save fuel to get that mileage out of your tanks other than that of Sea Venture.

They have such a great attitude and feel privileged and thankful they were given the opportunity to do the passage. Unlike a few on here that can only plagiarize ACT’s from the dawn of Christ, and stick your chest out in a huff.

I have done a lot of travel and seen this attitude first hand in many countries, so it doesn’t just happen in our country, and usually gets you no where like now. Again you do have a choice follow the rules, stay home with your boat and enjoy supporting your local mom and pop marinas in your area with no masks. As we will enjoy our empty anchorages up here with abundant Dungies on the grill.

There is so much debris in the water this year, transiting at night or low light would be not recommended.

Cheers to 2021 cruising, be safe it’s your CHOICE or NOT!
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700 miles is not difficult. Lots of boats have that kind of range. I do not quite have it, but could easily take along a couple fuel jugs for example.

I cannot speak of the debris in the water or anything along those lines but of course that is a consideration

Alaska is open for business!!!

Why??? well we are fairly smart in Alaska. We have learned how to prevent the virus through simple protocols. This is not March 2020 we have had a year to learn, and have done a good job doing just that.

We also have the vaccines available to anyone living or working here that wants to make that highly personal choice. :) First state in the nation!
 
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Nomad Willy said:
Kevin,
Hasn’t that been the case for many years in normal times? When the fishermen go north in the spring (April 15) they went mostly in packs/groups and traveled as you say above.
Now that I reflect a bit perhaps they did anchor at night. Never seen a fishboat at customs on Pender Is. Maybe you know?
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Yes the rules have not changed in this regard.

As far as both the US and Canada are concerned a vessle transiting through non stop is not formally in Canada.
 
Soo-Valley said:
You just had to post that. Now ASD has no excuse left.
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Oh I already knew about this. In the spring a herd of comm fishing boats would make their way north in the fall they head south. The only differance was they had to contact VTS for a permit. No landings required.
 
Okydowky wrote;
“None of us on here have a vessel that can travel non stop to Alaska.”

There must be two dozen of course.

We can even do it if I slow down to 5.5 knots and run 24-7. Maybe even anchoring.
I’m thinking if a little Willard can do it there must be many more bigger boats.
 
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Nomad Willy said:
Okydowky wrote;
“None of us on here have a vessel that can travel non stop to Alaska.”

There must be two dozen of course.

We can even do it if I slow down to 5.5 knots and run 24-7. Maybe even anchoring.
I’m thinking if a little Willard can do it there must be many more bigger boats.
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Eric
No problem for us to make + 800 miles. But we'd likely top off a tank or two in Port McNeil. There are still a couple of months though to see how things shake out in this ever changing situation. Lots of talk about vaccine passports and CV 19 tests for entry purposes. Are you headed north this summer?
 
Fluid indeed,
Every day it’s changed. Make a post on this thread and by the time you post it, it needs editing.
My days of going the whole “9 yards” I suspect are over. My enthusiasm for it isn’t the same either. If the border isn’t shut I plan to spend time south of Cape Caution. Perhaps so of Seymour. Pulling my 12’ dinghy and poking around in interesting places. But all of this is more than a bit fluid.
I assume you are going back to Ak. Always more places to see/experience in the PNW.
Take care
 
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Nomad Willy said:
Okydowky wrote;
“None of us on here have a vessel that can travel non stop to Alaska.”

There must be two dozen of course.

We can even do it if I slow down to 5.5 knots and run 24-7. Maybe even anchoring.
I’m thinking if a little Willard can do it there must be many more bigger boats.
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Eric
At 5.5 knots, 700 nm running 24/7 is still 5.5 days. You will be stopping. You will need to check in. You will need crew.
 
5.5 days non stop would be a lot, but given the right crew it could be done without stopping. Having appropriate crew on a 30 footer would be cozy, however.



I'll put myself down in the "boat can't do it" camp. I carry a good bit of fuel, but my engines just burn too much. Even with 1 shut down and finding best speed, there's no way I've got 700 miles worth of fuel plus adequate reserve. I'd need to re-power to make that trip...
 
It’s a very long run up .. just to K town .. 22 days on one of our trips. We only had one trip (south) where we did what you’d call gunkholing or sight seeing. And then not a lot of it. Most of the time we were on a mission .. get to Alaska or Wash.

But if we stopped for fuel and anchor it would basically a shy month or so (probably “or so”) each way. Too much just running. I think we’ll stay so of Cape Caution. May just do (in the summer) what Durant did in the winter. That far south the boats get pretty thick tho.
 
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