I agree. Program essentially assumes the owner of a derelect boat is an otherwise responsible and active participant in society. My limited interactions with derelects are the owner/occupants are true one-percenters who are, for whatever reason, at the fringes of society. What might work is if there was a payment for turning in the derelict boat.say, $500 or so.I wonder what the numbers are where derelicts are the result of abandoned boats.
Abandoned boats are probably not going to be 'turned in".
May help somewhat, but I think it has to be more aggressive, like some of the "abandoned auto/towing" policies around the country.
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Mr. mv. Good idea BUT will $500 be enough incentive. It might be for some but...
The case of the 1% seems to be more of a social problem than an environmental problem at least in the early stages of their boat "ownership". As I mentioned, a complicated situation.
This got my attention. In additional to extra funding it gives LEOs more authority.
...State lawmakers this year increased funding for the removal of derelict vessels from $3.5 million to $8.2 million, after earlier giving law enforcement more authority to address at-risk vessels that have no effective means of propulsion and have taken on water or are on the verge of becoming unanchored....
I hope the program works for this type of situation. I was at a public meeting when a boat owner spoke about where he was going to keep his boats? He went on to say he has 3 boats anchored out because he cant afford to put them in marina. He's not a liveaboard and none of the boats have moved in over 2 years. He has a dream.
This is the rule in Washington State
SELLERS OF VESSELS more than 35 feet in length and more than 40 years old are to provide the buyers with marine survey inspection information before transferring the title, and they need to see proof that the buyers have secured marine insurance coverage.
BUYERS OF THESE VESSELS are to secure marine insurance and provide proof of coverage to the seller, and either the Department of Licensing upon registration, or the Department of Revenue upon paying any taxes, if applicable.
A BUYER who fails to secure and maintain the minimum marine insurance coverage is guilty of a misdemeanor. Most importantly, they will incur liability for the vessel if it becomes derelict or abandoned. In addition, their moorage facility may cancel their moorage agreement for noncompliance.
The State Department of Natural Resources (DNR) may contact any vessel owner required to have an insurance policy to ensure compliance with this legal requirement.
A SELLER who chooses to finalize a sale or transfer with a buyer who has not provided proof of a marine insurance policy, assumes secondary liability for the vessel (consistent with RCW 79.100.060) if the vessel is later abandoned by the buyer/transferee or becomes derelict prior to a later ownership sale/transfer.
The law is aimed at preventing the abandonment of commercial fishing vessels in Washington.
is that over 35 feet, or 35 feet and over? i have a 35 footer up for sale now and this seems fairly important.
this puts survey requirements on the seller. this is contrary to securing insurance as a buyer as the insurance company typically wants to have a survey done in the buyers name.
This is the rule in Washington State
SELLERS OF VESSELS more than 35 feet in length and more than 40 years old are to provide the buyers with marine survey inspection information before transferring the title, and they need to see proof that the buyers have secured marine insurance coverage.
BUYERS OF THESE VESSELS are to secure marine insurance and provide proof of coverage to the seller, and either the Department of Licensing upon registration, or the Department of Revenue upon paying any taxes, if applicable.
A BUYER who fails to secure and maintain the minimum marine insurance coverage is guilty of a misdemeanor. Most importantly, they will incur liability for the vessel if it becomes derelict or abandoned. In addition, their moorage facility may cancel their moorage agreement for noncompliance.
The State Department of Natural Resources (DNR) may contact any vessel owner required to have an insurance policy to ensure compliance with this legal requirement.
A SELLER who chooses to finalize a sale or transfer with a buyer who has not provided proof of a marine insurance policy, assumes secondary liability for the vessel (consistent with RCW 79.100.060) if the vessel is later abandoned by the buyer/transferee or becomes derelict prior to a later ownership sale/transfer.
The law is aimed at preventing the abandonment of commercial fishing vessels in Washington.
Do you know when this law went into effect? I bought a 43 yr old boat in 2016 and sold it in 2019. Private sale both times. All parties unaware of the law. Dept of licensing did not say anything either time. Makes me uneasy the state can potentially come at me years later if the current owner abandons the boat. Last I heard the boat has become a run down liveaboard dock queen.
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The law went into affect in 2014. It’s a derelict law which means you might be required to prove you didn’t sell a derelict if the boat ends up abandoned and the buyer has no means to dispose of the vessel.
https://www.dnr.wa.gov/programs-and...large-and-older-vessel-ownership-requirements
Unfortunately but obviously true: Size and scope of boats on the water and marinas in existence, in relation to the perishing quality of marine life and troubles in other parts of earth's ecosphere, need to become controlled before shat hits the fan for our planet's entire eco-systemic stability.
Such is life!
The law went into affect in 2014. It’s a derelict law which means you might be required to prove you didn’t sell a derelict if the boat ends up abandoned and the buyer has no means to dispose of the vessel.
https://www.dnr.wa.gov/programs-and...large-and-older-vessel-ownership-requirements
interesting. i never heard of this law before. i've been a liveaboard for 30-ish years. didn't hear a whisper about this law.
i bought a boat last year that falls under these regulations and it wasn't even mentioned. as it happens, the seller did provide me with his recent survey, and as matter of course i had insurance lined up in advance, so i guess we were following the laws.
Do you know when this law went into effect? I bought a 43 yr old boat in 2016 and sold it in 2019. Private sale both times. All parties unaware of the law. Dept of licensing did not say anything either time. Makes me uneasy the state can potentially come at me years later if the current owner abandons the boat. Last I heard the boat has become a run down liveaboard dock queen.
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Thats the unfortunate realiy of the situation.Getting back to the original post, a vessel turn-in program sounds like a good solution, though it might be overwhelmed with boats. The idea that owners of derelict boats should be financially responsible sounds good on the surface, but derelict boats generally have derelict owners. The cost of chasing them for money would likely far exceed the money you could squeeze out of them.
Yes, that is a common occurrence in Wa state with taxes. Collected with the intention of being spent on a dedicated purpose but swept into the general fund and used anyway the govt wishes.Actually, as part of every annual boat registration in Washington State, there is a surcharge for "Derelict Vessel Removal". Each and every year. Unfortunately the funds collected are not fenced off, and they can be diverted to other purposes, which is what happened this year (2022) when the money was used to pay for fighting forest fires. Not sure what it will be diverted to next year after I pay my annual registration with next years Derelict Vessel Removal" surcharge.