angus99
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but but but but...he's trying to recycle
More like he's chumming.
but but but but...he's trying to recycle
Andy, good information. #3 is curious. What happened to the missing 14%? Also, what percentage of the boaters have a boating certificate? In other words if only 29% of the boaters have received boating safety instruction, then the 71% figure is hardly surprising.
The missing 14%, I wondered about that as well.To your second point the overall percentage of boaters having formal training was not reported, as far as I could tell. These figures were only correlated from information of those poor unfortunates that lost their lives. So whether the vast majority of boaters out there have or do not have formal training is unknown, at least from this source.Also there was no breakdown on gender either.
As most fatalities occurred in boats less than 21' in length, with speed as one of the other significant contributing factors to death, it is probably reasonable to speculate the 'Darwinian' male was well represented.
Is anyone here brave enough to say they have two glasses of beer or wine with dinner out, and drive home but think the same is way too dangerous to operate a boat?
Do these arguments pertain to weed, hemp, bud .......
Yes. If you are unable to operate a boat, car, or machinery safely, you shouldn't. The same arguments apply to prescription drugs (of which there is an epidemic of abuse in the USA).
There are a million ways to alter your mind. The drug of choice (alcohol, pills, plants, coffee/energy drinks) is irrelevant. The operator of the boat should always be held accountable.
Just remember there are loads of responsible drinkers that take a lot of heat because of the problem ones. There IS a wide berth between the two and all too often anyone who drinks differently than others is lumped into the problem drinker crowd.
Wifey B: I'm not, because I don't. Maybe someone will. I've actually seen the reverse, boaters consuming amounts they wouldn't do and then drive a car.
One comment regarding pot use while boating. While it is legal now in many states, it is not legal in the US and on the waters where the USCG enforces laws, they remain very rigid in their response to pot or any other illegal drug. You really just don't want to have it on your boat. Now, because of trafficking, I'm sure there's more attention paid to it in South Florida, but it could cause you serious issues from a boarding wherever you are.
No boozing and now no getting baked smoking a fatty??? Next thing you'll tell me is no texting or watching pornos while operating the boat.
Wifey B: Well, we don't allow any smoking of anything on our boat, or at our home.
It would be too hard for you to drive if watching a porno.
People who suffer a heart attack generally receive hospital treatment as a matter of course, whether the attack occurs in a car causing a road collision, or elsewhere...As for excessive drinking being a "disease", why is it if you have a heart attack and wreck your car they take you to the hospital but if you are drunk and wreck your car they take you to jail?..
You have been frank about your situation, may I ask how many years of sustained heavy drinking were there before you turned the situation around, in what is without doubt a feat of willpower, and a great achievement?
.......... You have been frank about your situation, may I ask how many years of sustained heavy drinking were there before you turned the situation around, in what is without doubt a feat of willpower, and a great achievement?
Getting back to the stolen dinghy---
I had an uncle that was a locksmith. His favorite quote was "locks are for honest people."
Thanks to God and some good friends of Bill's.
05/05/2005.
Pancreatitis, that is serious, I had a client with it. On what I was told and read, the pain alone would encourage a permanent change.That's hard to say but It's been about seven years since I stopped. Before that, I pretty much drank since I was old enough to drink. I'm 73 now. I played music in bars and for parties and dances and usually drank. Then I started having an "after dinner drink" most every night until I went to bed. I can't really say when sustained heavy drinking started, I just eased into it. It was a few years though.
Funny story (at least I thought so): I was in the hospital with pancreatitis and after a week or so and many lectures by the doctors about being an alcoholic, needing to go to meetings, etc., the doctor came in and looked at my chart and said "You're doing pretty well, we can start you on clear fluids." Being a smart ass and without even thinking, I said "You mean like vodka and gin"?....
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Greetings.
Mr. WK. You don't understand addictions.
Greetings,
Mr. WK. Excessive drinking is not a disease. Alcoholism is. BIG difference.
Yes... BIG, BIG Difference
Yes but how do you differentiate between the two conditions?
and,The brain, like most body organs, is vulnerable to injury from alcohol consumption. The risk of brain damage and related neurobehavioral deficits varies from person to person.
This article reviews the many factors that influence this risk, the techniques used to study the effects of alcoholism1 on the brain and behavior, and the implications of this research for treatment.
(1 Alcohol dependence, also known as alcoholism, is characterized by a craving for alcohol, possible physical dependence on alcohol, an inability to control one’s drinking on any given occasion, and an increasing tolerance to alcohol’s effects [American Psychiatric Association (APA) 1994].)
About half of the nearly 20 million alcoholics in the United States seem to be free of cognitive impairments. In the remaining half, however, neuropsychological difficulties can range from mild to severe.
https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh27-2/125-133.htmAlcoholics are not all alike; they experience different subsets of symptoms, and the disease has different origins for different people. Therefore, to understand the effects of alcoholism, it is important to consider the influence of a wide range of variables.
Researchers have not yet found conclusive evidence for the idea that any one variable can consistently and completely account for the brain deficits found in alcoholics. The most plausible conclusion is that neurobehavioral deficits in some alcoholics result from the combination of prolonged ingestion of alcohol, which impairs the way the brain normally works, and individual vulnerability to some forms of brain damage.
Characterizing what makes alcoholics “vulnerable” remains the subject of active research.
Yes but how do you differentiate between the two conditions?
This thread hits very close to home. I found out 2 years ago that my son was an alcoholic. We watched his family and his health slowly fall apart over 5 years prior to that and our relationship with him also fall apart. Watched a very smart young adult with 2 small children ruin his life and destroy his relationships with everyone close to him. We helped him go through rehab for over a year, his ex dumped him while in his first round of rehab. My DW and I knew he was a good person and was worth helping so we were the only ones who stood with him and helped him through that year of rehab/relapses, which took a huge toll on us. Thankfully he is 8 months sober now, his career is back on track, and he is enjoying his children immensely. But seeing what he has gone through has taught us both quite a bit about addiction and I look at drinking much differently now. But unfortunately we all realize there is another relapse around the corner.[/QUOTE]
That is partially true... in that, it is not so much "there is another relapse" but rather that there may be another relapse around the corner. If the tools for staying sober are used diligently enough (every minute of every day) and for long enough time span (i.e. the entire rest of his life) a relapse CAN be avoided with a continued wonderful life as outcome.
If desire for a drink ever becomes nearly over whelming: Sit on your hands if necessary, call your sponsor, go to meetings... just never ever have even a sip of alcohol at any time again - NOT EVEN ONE! If an alcoholic succeeds in not having any alcohol intake then that alcoholic can succeed in being the "ruler" over their alcoholic addiction. It is a life long process. Some are afflicted with addictive make-up... Others are not.
Live one day at a time... fruitfully!