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- 1978 Hatteras 53MY
Not sure how accurate the CNN graphics are, but if true, he aimed for it and ran straight into it......
Not sure how accurate the CNN graphics are, but if true, he aimed for it and ran straight into it......
Well, over the timeframe depicted the hurricane didn't do much at all and the ship kept steaming for it. Now, the hurricane was supposed to get out of the way, but hello......
All I can relate this to now is like being a ref in a ball game....big difference than being the guy in the armchair with the luxury of slow mo, instant replay.
been both a professional aviator and professional mariner (smaller stuff but still put to sea with the USCG for decades)...Almost. He had a lot more time than your proverbial ref. He had days.
In my biz (aviation) we call it "get-home-itis".
Or a few hundred containers acting like battering rams as she slid stern first for three miles.Had to be dang violent to rip the superstructure off the hull...
I just hope it was quick for those aboard.
Cold deep water...they may never surface....a sailors resting place...may they rest in peace.
And of course all the other unthinkable reasons no others have been found.
Having served with a lot of highly trained seamen whow hAve expressed this concept....the guys on the El Faro might have just taken their jackets off in or out of the water....some people aren't into suffering and mental anguish.
Good point. I just can't imagine the horror of being in the water in those conditions. II think most people try to hold even to the smallest hope, but I can see too that once one decided to remove their jacket, others would follow that lead.
Any idea what the temperature of the water would be there at 15,000 ft below the surface?
Not really true...the will to survive is across the board at the start and tends drop for all because of various factors.
Some will put a gun to their head before thy jump overboard.
I think seawater levels off at 4 degrees C at depth because of pressure....but that is only a guess.
Below what is necessary to produce gas and float from my lwarning.
You're right in that we don't know what level of panic existed or how long they'd known they had a problem. We don't know how long they had to think about it.
Yes, that temperature is basically enough to refrigerate a body. I googled and your guess is very good. I found places that said 0 to 3 C, or 32-38 F, with 3.5% salinity.
I'd only been aware of missing bodies on lakes in the past and there you don't have the same situation so ultimately the bodies surface. At that temperature they're not going to. No telling either where the deep ocean currents may have taken them.
So, I learned something today. I had no idea how cold it got deep.
It would seem to me the pressure at that depth would be a factor too
I try to stay away from speculating on these things but in this case I tend to go along with you, Dave.If she went over quickly, and due to the lack of distress signals sent I'm guessing she did, I bet just about everyone was inside. The conditions on deck were no doubt extremely dangerous. They were probably all on the bridge, or congregated in the galley. Even if they knew something bad could happen at any second, even if they thought they were ready to abandon ship, things can happen very, very quickly.
It's all very sobering to think about, as I sit on an old tugboat.
I found this interesting and somewhat pertinent. Cliff Mass Weather Blog: Time to Drop the National Hurricane Center's Forecast Cone
Yes depth (water pressure) plays a big roll in whether a body will float to the surface. As the body decomposes it generates internal gas which is what floats it. The pressure from the water compresses the gas reducing the volume. Let's say that at the surface, decomposition produces 1 gallon of gas which would be about 8 pounds of lifting buoyancy.It would seem to me the pressure at that depth would be a factor too