RafterQ
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Any thoughts or experiences? My particular curiosities include initial cost, and sea-worthiness/circumnavigating comparisons of the N40 and Fathom Element & Expedition models. Thanks for sharing any knowledge and opinion!
I had the chance to look into the hull of a Nordhavn 46' that fell off it's jack stands in a Ft. Lauderdale boatyard. What I saw shocked me (and I took photos!)-
Interesting that a broker who specializes in mid-size, twin-engine semi-displacement boats felt the need to step in and comment on another brand boat when the discussion has nothing to do with him or the type of boat he sells. I didn't realize this site was designed for brokers to try and promote their products even if indirectly.
If anyone wants to doubt the structural integrity of the N46 I would check out the Voyage of Egret website and see where they have traveled the past 17 years in their N46.
I think I need to rethink if this is the right sight for me since I thought it was designed to for boaters to assist other boaters. Not for brokers to discredit other brands in an attempt to some how try and make a sale (not very professional in my opinion).
Now that this broker has me started I will advise that we just received word today that our offer on our third Nordhavn was accepted and we start the sea-trial / inspection process next week. To show the level of confidence I have in Nordhavn boats my offer was made "sight unseen" and on the trust I have with staff at PAE who know the boat.
I don't see any of them discrediting other brand boats but then again they don't have to. They know what their boats have and can do!
John T (N4050 & N4061 and N3 in-process)
I had the chance to look into the hull of a Nordhavn 46' that fell off it's jack stands in a Ft. Lauderdale boatyard. What I saw shocked me (and I took photos!)it.
I had the chance to look into the hull of a Nordhavn 46' that fell off it's jack stands in a Ft. Lauderdale boatyard. What I saw shocked me (and I took photos!)-
Interesting that a broker who specializes in mid-size, twin-engine semi-displacement boats felt the need to step in and comment on another brand boat when the discussion has nothing to do with him or the type of boat he sells. I didn't realize this site was designed for brokers to try and promote their products even if indirectly.
If anyone wants to doubt the structural integrity of the N46 I would check out the Voyage of Egret website and see where they have traveled the past 17 years in their N46.
I think I need to rethink if this is the right sight for me since I thought it was designed to for boaters to assist other boaters. Not for brokers to discredit other brands in an attempt to some how try and make a sale (not very professional in my opinion).
Now that this broker has me started I will advise that we just received word today that our offer on our third Nordhavn was accepted and we start the sea-trial / inspection process next week. To show the level of confidence I have in Nordhavn boats my offer was made "sight unseen" and on the trust I have with staff at PAE who know the boat.
I don't see any of them discrediting other brand boats but then again they don't have to. They know what their boats have and can do!
John T (N4050 & N4061 and N3 in-process)
Because of my occupation I'm not allowed to say what I've seen? I'm not a dealer pushing any competitor at all, I just happen to be a broker, and I've had Nordhavn's listed before, so I was as surprised as could be when I stumbled across one that I could look in. I mentioned I was in a Morgan OI 41' Sailboat (my boat) , that's about as far away from "twin engine semi displacement" as can be.
I'm not here bashing or promoting anything. I'm responding to the thread the same as you. I'm to be censored? If you were a Pilot for Delta, and happened to see a crash of another airliner, would you not be allowed to say what you saw? It IS what it IS isn't it? Right above my post somebody mentioned them being heavy displacement, and from what I saw of this one (1) 46' I would be curious where the weight is at? I can see it in a Hatteras. I'm guessing I'm now going to have to go through my photos and prove what I saw? I've seen LOTS of boats of all brands wrecked here. Hurricanes alone will stack fields hundreds deep of about every brand there is. Reef's get their share, fires, collisions, and just accidents. I feel lucky to look inside them.
It's always a surprise what I discover hidden away where the builders never expected anybody to ever see, back behind the liners and the hull. Like being a coroner, one get's to see literally the bones.
There I censored myself . Website link is gone. You happy yet? NOW can I speak?
I would guess the pictures were shared with the insurers and Nordhavn? If so, maybe a post or two here of same would be of benefit. Is this the vessel that was bounced off the hard during a hurricane?
It fell off it's jack stands in the yard is what I was told. Plop. The stabilizer acted like a can opener and tore open the side, where I could look in and see the quite a long way in all directions. I think that's what I said.
I think most people want to be back on the subject vs addressing a broker who somehow thinks it is valuable pointing out that stabilizer are not designed to carry the full weight of the boat when dropped...
I suggest banning you...
I was selling my boat(FSBO) and the buyer hired a surveyor. It was a single engine boat with a protected rudder and prop with a shoe. The surveyor literally hung with the entire weight of his body off of the prop shoe until it finally budged an inch or so(the rudder shaft). The load was downward from the hull. And then he rolled his eyes and mumbled something like it was some design flaw. I asked him when it would EVER be subject to a load like that??? He had no answer. SO the survey went on and I got out of the way. When it was over we were milling about the parking lot. I found out which car was his. It had a standard exterior antenna for the radio. I walked over to it and grabbed it and bent it until it snapped. And then I said, "This must be a poorly designed antenna!". I walked away. I think he got the point. The point is, there will never be a downward load on a prop shoe...just like there will never be a load like the one I put on that antenna....just like there will never be a load like a boat falling onto the cement on it's stabilizer....
True story....I was exasperated with this dude.
Guys I've known Blake Davis for a very long time. He can be very matter of fact in the way that he states things. That said, if he's telling an untruth here, it's the first one I've ever heard him tell.
I have also heard about his impressions of the thickness of the N46 hull that he personally observed. I have heard the story several times over a period of years.
He did not now, nor have I ever heard him say anything bad about the N46, or it's strength. He was merely passing on his personal observations as to the thickness, and his surprise that it was not thicker.
You guys are treating him like he is pushing his listed boats, or like he has something to sell, and that is just not the case here.
To anybody that would even suggest banning or censoring someone who posts his personal observations... Thicken up your skin a little. None of our boats are above honest criticism, or posting our personal observations.
Blake, I believe you. I also believe that the N46, and Nordhavn boats in general almost define modern passagemakers. So, while the hull thickness clearly surprised you, the track record of the N46 speakers for itself.
I think the issue here is that a broker, not and engineer or other qualified individual thinks the hull of a Nordhavn is too thin... just because it sustained significant damage on a drop onto concrete. What qualification does he have to back this statement up?? If the boats suffered crazing, delamination, stress cracking, excessive blistering, water intrusion or any other form of laminate failure then he might have a reason to comment. But Nordhavn's don't suffer any of these issues, and I believe they probably have the most blue water miles accumulated of any manufacturer. Or , maybe I am all wet and he is comparing this boat to the other dozen or so boats that he has seen drop in a similar fashion... If that is the case I want to know the yard he uses as I want to steer really clear of them.. HOLLYWOOD