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Mako said:
I respect and appreciate people who spend their money on an extremely esoteric, crazy dream boat which likely no one else in the world will appreciate (like fatty or skinny above), but to think that someone is willing to pay you $400,000 for your weird brain-fart is even stranger than the boat itself.
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Thats not just any old boat though, its way better than most. Look how some of those 20 year old Dashew boats STILL cost $2million! They are better than average boats too, just like Windhaven.
 
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Bmarler said:
it's a boat with lots of interesting features. good looks isn't one of them, but there's always someone out there who will appreciate it. 400k seems a little strong for it though, that was the asking right?
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Good looking boat.
Engine room plus interior pics please.
Who's gonna clean up that galley? :D
 
DDW said:
Here are a couple of ... different .... small trawlers out of Europe.

All electric, but carrying 925 gallons of diesel to feed the electric propulsion. Interesting styling, ice rated steel hull for those Cape Horn roundings. Every picture is a rendering so I'm not certain that one has been built yet, you could own the very first:

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2020-trondheim-trawler-6047486/

And smaller still:

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2020-seafaring-34-7138081/
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The renderings are 2 years old.
 
Greetings,
Mr. DDW. Interesting in that it appears there is a PBY Catalina aloft in the background.


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JWellington said:
The Trondheim trawlers seem very good too. Strong, electric hybrid, cross oceans. Big enough for 2-4 people.
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Do these boat even exist?

There was a few thread on this forum five years ago, here is one.

Did a very quick look for ones for sale and didn't find any.

Jim
 
JLD said:
Do these boat even exist?

There was a few thread on this forum five years ago, here is one.

Did a very quick look for ones for sale and didn't find any.

Jim
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In the boating world, its common for builders, designers, naval architects, etc. to have designs that areput on offer, to be built, but havnt been yet. TheTrondheim is one of them. So you can order one if you like. https://www.designboom.com/design/max-zhivov-trondheim-trawler-06-23-2017/. There are even companies that design boats, and sell the plans, for people to have built at the yard of their choice.
 
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JWellington said:
In the boating world, its common for builders, designers, naval architects, etc. to have designs that areput on offer, to be built, but havnt been yet. TheTrondheim is one of them. So you can order one if you like. https://www.designboom.com/design/max-zhivov-trondheim-trawler-06-23-2017/. There are even companies that design boats, and sell the plans, for people to have built at the yard of their choice.
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People do all kinds of crazy off the wall concepts. Many of which actually lead to nothing being built.

My question was, after being on the "market" for 5+ years, have they actually built any boats?

I haven't seen any pictures or videos of a build, just design concepts. Personally, I'm not impressed if they never build a boat.

Jim
 
JLD said:
People do all kinds of crazy off the wall concepts. Many of which actually lead to nothing being built.

My question was, after being on the "market" for 5+ years, have they actually built any boats?

I haven't seen any pictures or videos of a build, just design concepts. Personally, I'm not impressed if they never build a boat.

Jim
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I also heard the new Jeff Bezos yacht hadnt been built before either. Its common, unless one just buys a premade production boat. Here are two more builders who offer boats theyve designed, but havnt been built yet: Arksen Yachts, Alva Yachts. Its normal, and in the case of the Trondheim, looks like that Dutch builder is ready to go. Ill bet its a great boat, although id prefer it in aluminum instead of steel.
 
Their website resolves to a "domain for sale" page, so my guess is they never sold one. Not sure why they are still paying for the Yachtworld ad.
 
DDW said:
Their website resolves to a "domain for sale" page, so my guess is they never sold one. Not sure why they are still paying for the Yachtworld ad.
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Often pages dont open for me either, but there are about 5 citations. Indeed, often builders don answer queries. This seems to be a particular problem with Norwegian builders. Anyway the Trondheim is yet another example of trawlers boats that some people like. If somebody wants one that looks like the Trondheim with those specs, many builders will make one for you.
 
Jeff Bezos yacht.... is being launched in Europe some place soon...just read where he is having the historic town bridge temporarily partially dismantled to get the boat out to sea.

Plans are to rebuild the bridge back hopefully safer than it was.


https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/04/business/jeff-bezos-rotterdam-yacht/index.html

London (CNN Busienss)Rotterdam is considering a request to dismantle part of a historic bridge to allow a yacht reportedly owned by Amazon (AMZN) founder Jeff Bezos to leave the shipyard where it is being built.

The Dutch city has received a request from a local shipbuilder to remove the central section of the historic Koningshaven Bridge so that a superyacht can sail to the sea, it said in a statement to CNN Business on Friday.
 
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JWellington said:
I also heard the new Jeff Bezos yacht hadnt been built before either. Its common, unless one just buys a premade production boat. Here are two more builders who offer boats theyve designed, but havnt been built yet: Arksen Yachts, Alva Yachts. Its normal, and in the case of the Trondheim, looks like that Dutch builder is ready to go. Ill bet its a great boat, although id prefer it in aluminum instead of steel.
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The difference, of course, being that Oceanco, who is building Bezos's yacht, has actually built boats and is a custom yacht builder.

5+ years and no one has built the Trondheim design. My guess is it ain't gonna happen.

Jim
 
JLD said:
The difference, of course, being that Oceanco, who is building Bezos's yacht, has actually built boats and is a custom yacht builder.

5+ years and no one has built the Trondheim design. My guess is it ain't gonna happen.

Jim
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Custom boat builders will build any sort of boat you like. There are many out there, in many countries.
 
psneeld said:
Jeff Bezos yacht.... is being launched in Europe some place soon...just read where he is having the historic town bridge temporarily partially dismantled to get the boat out to sea.

Plans are to rebuild the bridge back hopefully safer than it was.


https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/04/business/jeff-bezos-rotterdam-yacht/index.html

London (CNN Busienss)Rotterdam is considering a request to dismantle part of a historic bridge to allow a yacht reportedly owned by Amazon (AMZN) founder Jeff Bezos to leave the shipyard where it is being built.

The Dutch city has received a request from a local shipbuilder to remove the central section of the historic Koningshaven Bridge so that a superyacht can sail to the sea, it said in a statement to CNN Business on Friday.
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and that's what happens when someone selected the wrong build yard
 
Re the Bezoz yacht, I read it was all planned out. And the city gets a new bridge at Bezos' dime.
 
Thought you said you heard his yacht wasn't built?
 
JWellington said:
Re the Bezoz yacht, I read it was all planned out. And the city gets a new bridge at Bezos' dime.
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I don't believe the city wants a new bridge. According to news reports, "Rotterdam's Koningshaven Bridge, known locally as De Hef, the bridge is nearly 100 years old and is thought of as something of a landmark in the city. After the bridge was renovated in 2017, the city vowed it wouldn't be taken apart again, according to Dutch broadcaster Rijnmond."

I believe what the city gets out of approving the permit, is shipbuilding and related jobs.

Jim
 
They aren't permanently dismantling it, just enough to get the yacht through, then reassembling it as it was. The cost is in the round off error for that build.
 

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JWellington said:
Good one! And thats only at 5. Some of the boats we're looking at are designed for Beaufort 9,10.
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The issue I see in that video isn't so much how well the boat will survive those conditions, but how much it'll beat the snot out of the people on board.

Also keep in mind, not all local conditions are made equal. The same wind speed and/or wave height can be not so bad in one area and terrible in another if local conditions lead to the waves being steeper and closer together (shorter period) in one area or if there's an underlying swell from a different direction leading to a confused wave pattern.
 
rslifkin said:
The issue I see in that video isn't so much how well the boat will survive those conditions, but how much it'll beat the snot out of the people on board.

Also keep in mind, not all local conditions are made equal. The same wind speed and/or wave height can be not so bad in one area and terrible in another if local conditions lead to the waves being steeper and closer together (shorter period) in one area or if there's an underlying swell from a different direction leading to a confused wave pattern.
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Some think survivability is more important than comfort. Lets say we expect to experience such level 5 conditions, Id rathercbe on a boat that is designed to handle it, than in a flimsy one. Even severe storms usually only last a few days. Some some guys just heave to, batten the hatches, put out sea anchors, etc, strap themselves into the bunk with water bottles, and protein bars, and wait till it passes.
 
JWellington said:
Some think survivability is more important than comfort. Lets say we expect to experience such level 5 conditions, Id rathercbe on a boat that is designed to handle it, than in a flimsy one. Even severe storms usually only last a few days. Some some guys just heave to, batten the hatches, put out sea anchors, etc, strap themselves into the bunk with water bottles, and protein bars, and wait till it passes.
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It doesn't do much good if the boat can survive the conditions if the crew is incapacitated by being strapped down and puking themselves into dehydration. To actually be able to operate usefully in those conditions for more than a very short period of time, the boat needs to be able to survive AND have good enough motion that the crew is still able to operate the boat.
 
rslifkin said:
It doesn't do much good if the boat can survive the conditions if the crew is incapacitated by being strapped down and puking themselves into dehydration. To actually be able to operate usefully in those conditions for more than a very short period of time, the boat needs to be able to survive AND have good enough motion that the crew is still able to operate the boat.
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No dehydration for reason mentioned. No operating boat for the other reson given. If a flimsy boat on the other hand , no survival.
 
JWellington said:
No dehydration for reason mentioned. No operating boat for the other reson given. If a flimsy boat on the other hand , no survival.
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At this point, it's very clear that you know very little and have never seen someone truly seasick from riding in a washing machine like that. It doesn't matter if you're strapped in and have water. If you're sick and puking your guts out, you WILL become severely dehydrated if the situation continues long enough. Short of IV fluids, there's no avoiding it.



Listen to the people on this site that have actually experienced bad conditions. The theoretical "but the boat is strong enough not to come apart so I'll be fine" is a bunch of worthless dreamer bullshit. We've all had enough.
 
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