twistedtree
Guru
Butt ugly, in my opinion, just like the Dashew boats.
One of his Facebook post interactions his friend chides him for no AC. His basic reply was learn how to suck it up and go native.
No A/C in a metal boat with big windows!? Good luck with that in the tropics.
Butt ugly, in my opinion, just like the Dashew boats.
First as to Artnautica vs. Dashew? Concept vs. Proven.
"Show me all the reviews, all the tests, all the satisfied customers of the Artnautica. All we see is designs, no actual information on boats built from any of their designs? Easy to claim a boat is self righting, but let's see an actual test of one like Elling has done. Would you really put millions into them on that basis?"
First as to Artnautica vs. Dashew? Concept vs. Proven.
"Call me suspicious, but you just sign up and post 7 times all on a thread "pimping" this designer?"
First as to Artnautica vs. Dashew? Concept vs. Proven.
"Now as to just the design and style, it's what is important to you. Dashew concepts are consistent with monohull sailboats. Long and narrow.
But if that's what you want, don't go with a knock off or rip off, a wannabe."
First as to Artnautica vs. Dashew? Concept vs. Proven.
Self-rigting - but let's see an actual test of one like Elling has done. Would you really put millions into them on that basis?
But if that's what you want, don't go with a knock off or rip off, a wannabe.
Thanks for the pointer to Elling. I was not familiar with them. Very nice to see that they are actually demonstrating the self-righting ability:
Self-Righting E4 To Be Tested Publicly | | PassageMaker
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If anyone doubts his creds on prowess or experience read his books. A must for the serious blue water travelers of today IMHO.
Self-righting (from 180 degree capsize) for pleasure boats is a marketing red-herring. If there was a epidemic of pleasure boats rolling over it would be a concern. Reality is that an intact (un-flooded) pleasure boat capsize in a seaway is almost unknown. Occasionally pleasure boats will heel 70-80 or even 90 degrees, but they pop back upright immediately, even when damaged.
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........turn off the engine and see how nice it is when the wind is blowing 35 knots, the sea is running 15-20, and you haven't slept for 4 days.........
Trying to ride on Dashew's coattails. And here we have someone just pops in to promote Artnautica and try to push the idea it's just the same as a Dashew, only cheaper.
If you look at that way every boatbuilder is riding on someone's coattails....
But I think the Artnautica boat is very different from the FPB 64. Artnautica states a "Heavy Displacement" of 31,000 pounds, the Dashew 64 is 90,000 fully loaded...That's three times the boat. The Dashew is 4' wider and 6' longer, that will also make a huge difference.
One of negatives of lighter weight boats is their motion in a sea is quicker and this fatigues crew. Is the Artnautica too light? I don't know and it's a subjective concern, everybody will have a different answer. Quick motion is a common complaint and the designer must balance waterplane against displacement and stability to try and slow her down.....The Dashew's set up a system to strap themselves in, which seems bizarre to someone used to the slow motion of a 100 ton Romsdal.
Including some creative ways to hold a wrench on one side of a hull while he turns the bolt from the other side.
For decades, Dashew designed and built boats have been in high demand, both new and on the resales market. For good reason if one chooses to cross oceans safely and quickly. They are the Porsche of the boat market.
I'm wondering why anyone that has any off shore experience is even considering long trans-ocean passages in boats like these. ... There are plenty of well constructed, beautifully appointed, easily operated yachts on the market for long distance cruising short handed in luxury. Look under AUXUILIARY SAILBOATS!.
Agreed. I have read 2.5 of their four books that I know about. The 1/2 book is their Encyclopedia which is rather, errr, ah, large.
The Dashews know how to build a comfortable, fast, and efficient ocean going boat. ...
The Dashews spend quite a bit of effort nailing done the details. Given their experience they really know what works in a boat for them. The problem with anyone else copying their idea, which is what ArtNautica is doing, is that the hull is not easy to copy nor is it the whole package. The design details inside the boat are just as important as the look of the boat. Steve ain't sharing all of the design specs on the hull either.
Later,
Dan
The numbers are achievable, but you can't take a lot of stuff with you. And you must remain disciplined about adding goodies.....
Dashew is selling to the Mercedes mentality, everything is over-engineered and over-built, where one pump will do he installs three, etc, etc....The real minimum is somewhere else, and it's great to see someone working towards it.....
Tad - I'd really like to understand better this issue you bring up. "disciplined about adding goodies..." makes me wonder... from your experience, what exactly what are you trading off when you go to a light design like this. From his the Artnautica Facebook page it sounds like he's got room for a genset in the production boat - but I'm wondering about AC, onboard water desalinator, a flying bridge, no double bottom of boat, thinner Aluminum hull and window glass spec compared to the Dashew FPB, etc.
Are these all something you can't add to the Artnautica without a complete redesign? What else are you trading off when you go to the very light boat design?
I'm totally happy with the "Toyota Corolla" of long, thin cruisers - but what I don't want is the bare-bones "vw bug" of the boat world - with no radio, etc.
Any tips greatly appreciated.
Here's a coastal cruiser design by Ed Monk Jr who focused on efficiency...relatively light weight, relatively long and skinny. At least one was built by Nordlund.
Express LT 57 ...Different for the right reasons!
So what sorta savings are we really talking about? What percent less horsepower is required to push an ultra skinny boat (like those discussed, or a Dashew) versus a "normal" cruiser??