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Mr. k. I suppose it will be a TRUE measure of society as to how those who need help get it.
Mr. k. I suppose it will be a TRUE measure of society as to how those who need help get it.
MurrayM;867393 On a more recent note said:https://www.pennlive.com/coronavirus/2020/04/with-pa-meat-packing-workers-getting-covid-19-is-the-food-supply-safe.html[/url]
What's the plan when U.S. aircraft carrier, air wing, and submarine crews are decimated by this virus....
So anyone who is working and has not been tested is "Selfish" ? But those preaching from their couch and relying on data that is miserably flawed are right because they think they are compliant?
Go to Target, Costco, Safeway, Albertsons, do you really believe these people are buying "essentials" or just using this designation to get their normal goods? Such Hypocrisy. Nobody here is really following stay at home orders as they were meant to be yet politicians have directed the police to ticket those alone in the ocean on a kayak yet let people flock to stores to buy strawberry's and ice cream? People I know go to the store at least 3 times a week here.
So it seems in your eyes it's only the people who work, want to work or think that the shut down was done totally wrong and with too big of a brush are spreading the virus?
If you monitored what people bought and limited them to only "essentials" limited them to how many trips they could make maybe then you would think this is an overstep of government? Or how about this not let people go to the store simply hand out food.. Then would it be too big of a step?
Why not let the low risk people go back to work keeping washing and distance rules in place even masks and gloves in certain cases. Then really clamped down on the high risk people that means you if your over 60, or have any pre existing health issues and so on.
We make laws based on Age as it is, we also make laws based on Region and populations why do this any different?
What if by region we made Non Group Outdoor activities ok, then put high risk people on total lock down. Then had Everyone else use safety measures. The majority of our population would be working, and the health of our population would be in much better shape both for Covid 19 and other issues.
The CDC data shows how disproportional the death numbers are as far as old people being the majority of cases where someone died same as with the flu virus.
Stop pretending that everyone here who gets the virus dies that's total BS. Remember we have a large population that could be positive with zero symptoms.
A meat packing place has problems in SD so address that facility and find out what's going on then make the decisions based on your scientific findings not shut down every meat packer in the United States.
Anyway MurrayM if you want to further debate me send me a PM and later this evening I would enjoy that.
Be safe and have a great day off the water!
Thinking outside the box here. We need more clever solutions. We aren't being creative, and this problem is not being MANAGED. It's either lockdown or no lockdown. Black or white. A broad lockdown may be prudent in an extreme case and/or in extreme areas, but come on government - is this the best we can do? Really?
Relieve anybody of command who might advocate solutions that embarrass the shameless?
Flip answer to a serious question.
The original question went to the discussion about shutting down food production (meat packing), and whether there comes a time when it is vital to operate such facilities, no matter the cost. We're not anywhere near there yet with food supplies, but it could happen. If it does priorities and views will change.
We're obviously at that point with strategic defense assets. They must (and will) be kept operational, even if at considerable risk to the operators (who are essentially conscripted). The same contingencies likely exist for food production and essential industrial capability. You're not going to read about it as I'm sure it's classified....as it should be.
When the Captain of a vital element of national (and world) security (even unknowingly) advertises to the world that our strategic defense capabilities are degraded....national security is at risk. The issue is not so much what he did, but how he did it. He should have known better. Politics have nothing to do with it
Was it a wise call to go outside the chain of command? Maybe not—No, absolutely not. Which is the whole point. He turned the issue into a press fiasco. Naïve and stupid was the correct characterization. If anyone gets reinstated it should be Modley. What happened after Crozier was dismissed had nothing to do with the initial decision, which was the correct one and one that will stand. Attempting to obfuscate the reason for his dismissal by blaming it on the press circus created after the fact is just anti-Trump political rhetoric. By the way, the shoulder to shoulder mob scene on the hangar deck as Crozier departed the ship didn't look like social distancing to me...it looked like a complete break down in discipline. The XO should also be fired.
As an aside, I hope the Navy is looking at moving the USS Mercy from Los Angeles where it's underutilized to the Western Pacific.
... I just spoke to one of my friends in Texas who's wife is a Respiratory Therapist. She currently is not busy at all much of her staff have nothing to do because they had everyone who had something other than Covid 19 cancel all appointments expecting the big wave of patients that they were told would be coming in for the Covid 19.
That has to be wonderful welcome news! Prepare for the worst,work for the best outcome. Hard yards at controlling the infections increase must have worked, and people should celebrate, as I`m sure you do.....For the rest of you San Diego is laying off 150 health workers this week some of them nurses. I just spoke to one of my friends in Texas who's wife is a Respiratory Therapist. She currently is not busy at all much of her staff have nothing to do because they had everyone who had something other than Covid 19 cancel all appointments expecting the big wave of patients that they were told would be coming in for the Covid 19.
I would like to see more data transparency and analysis especially related to nursing homes, assisted living facilities and other health care facilities.
At least around us county health depts have held the above data as private and left it up to those homes to release data... not happening!
I have seen reports that 2/3 of CV deaths have been nursing home residents. Many of these facilities lacked priority for testing and PPE and IMO likely were not being well managed relative to the seriousness of the situation.
Bruce, he's no different than any other president in USA history when it comes to making decisions. They use input from different sources, formulate a plan, and then deliver it in their own style. He wants to own the success. Previous administrations were more concerned about plausible deniability (blaming somebody else) if it failed. He's not making this decision on a whim. He is correct that it's the most important decision of his political career.
Ted
I wonder how many of the advocates of "house arrest or else you're killing my grandmother" are sweating the next rent payment or buying groceries tomorrow.
Was it a wise call to go outside the chain of command? Maybe not—No, absolutely not. Which is the whole point. He turned the issue into a press fiasco. Naïve and stupid was the correct characterization. If anyone gets reinstated it should be Modley. What happened after Crozier was dismissed had nothing to do with the initial decision, which was the correct one and one that will stand. Attempting to obfuscate the reason for his dismissal by blaming it on the press circus created after the fact is just anti-Trump political rhetoric. By the way, the shoulder to shoulder mob scene on the hangar deck as Crozier departed the ship didn't look like social distancing to me...it looked like a complete break down in discipline. The XO should also be fired.
As an aside, I hope the Navy is looking at moving the USS Mercy from Los Angeles where it's underutilized to the Western Pacific.
Looks like Crozier’s reinstatement, after a review “largely cleared” him, might happen. Still to be heard from: the Commander in Chief.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/...tion=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article