Steadying sail design/rigging?

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Thanks for posting the shots of the hull, this is really interesting!
It looks to me like the “fantail”? flat area that the rudder hangs from is added on to the original hull, completely destroying the sleek lines of the original displacement hull shape, and obviously creating a good deal of drag as well as throwing some square chine into the mix to further confuse the hull design.
I’m sure you could open up some interesting discussion about your hull over at boat design.com, if you are interested in understanding what’s happening down there!
I would certainly be interested in a discussion like that. I am not familiar with that web site.

The added ' air tank ' was recommended by a naval architect, which was involved in the ' corrections '. I don't have documentations however. What I know is from this forum, where some members sent in info, how this boat was built and altered.
The purpose of that air tank in the aft was to lift the boat up a bit. It was squatting too much. I think it worked somewhat, but there was a price to pay on the performance. I don't think I would want to remove this tank, or alter the hull any further. At one point I would consider a ' bilge keel ' option, but I have no solid plans on this.
 
 
Interesting discussion there. I am no expert but do agree that the added "air tanks" for buoyancy probably have a great hinderance on the following sea performance. They helped with the trim aspect of the boat but detracted from the handling aspect.
 
Interesting discussion there. I am no expert but do agree that the added "air tanks" for buoyancy probably have a great hinderance on the following sea performance. They helped with the trim aspect of the boat but detracted from the handling aspect.
Anytime you add features to a hull, blending their lines with the existing hull shape is important .
I would think that nicely faired “hips” would have been a more elegant solution, even at the drag cost of having a submerged and widened transom.
 
Are you saying that the airtank should be removed and ' hips ' installed, instead?
 
I am no NA it just seems it wasn't well executed, instead of a following sea be able to pass under the stern it hits a very abrupt wall below the waterline. It doesn't seem very hydrodynamic from any angle.
 
Thanks Charlie, you took the words right out of my mouth!
It’s LeoKa’s boat, totally his call, and his wallet!
The NA, if there was one involved, had no concern for anything other than a simple, easily built solution to stability at rest
 
Thank you for cheering me up. Lol.
Yes, it is what it is. I have not given up on a solution, but everything depends on future travels, budget, and age. The struggle continues.
No matter how I slice it, I need a competent NA who could make feasible solutions, which I can afford.
I suspect the ocean crossing dream is gone. However, if there was a way to make this boat capable for coastal cruising, a destination to Mexico, or Florida, could be still in the picture.
 
I can see where a steel beam was added to the keel, but then it looks like there is a bulge on each side partially over that beam. Was something added over the beam such that the keel bulges out more than original? If so, what's inside of the bulge?
 
Fuel tanks. 200+200 gallons.
 
Your boom and mast are plenty strong enough. They could be taller and longer for a bigger sail if you can take the weight. My commercial boat sail was at least twice as big and made a huge difference. Tuna fishing we just shut down and drifted at night. The sail made sleeping better. At anchor it limited the tacking. One night, at sea, I heard the sail flap with a wind change, but didn't think anything about it. In the morning I found we sailed 20 miles.
 
20 miles? That is funny. You must have been in very deep sleep.

The problem is the weight. If I extend the mast, it will add to the already heavy top. The boat is tender as it is.
If I choose weight addition, it should be at the very bottom on the beam.
 
Fuel tanks. 200+200 gallons.
Yikes. If I understand, the tanks were scabbed on to the designed keel. In effect, the tanks replace seawater (8.7# per gallon) with diesel (7# per gallon), for a difference of 680 pounds. That's a positive 680#, i.e., 680# of buoyancy even when completely filled. And as the diesel in the tanks is used up and when the tanks are empty, that would create a positive buoyancy of 3,480# on a moment arm of maybe 8' from the CG. Sort of like having air balloons attached to the keel. Thus, when the boat heels and the tanks are off center, that floatation would have the effect of tipping the vessel further over. A powerful unrighting force. Exactly the opposite of having lead in the keel. It looks like your issue is top heavy and bottom light (actually bottom negative).

I would guess that Bruce Roberts was the last NA involved. Hopefully, I'm all wrong.
 
I think you are right on point.
The PO kept those tanks filled with water all the time. They did not sail much.
I pumped out the water and filled with diesel. I also built a polishing system and I cleaned out the junk out of those tanks. They are full since and the diesel is cleaned regularly.
Your numbers might explain the tenderness I am experiencing. Even when I just walk around inside, the boat is slightly rolling for a while.
What I observed was, when the fresh water tank (274g) is filled, the tenderness is less. But only when it is completely filled. Once the water level goes down just 1/4 the boat is sensitive again. This water tank lays at the bottom, just above the bilge. The location is possibly the best for this weight, but not enough.
I bought 3 x 65 gallon water bladders and I used one of them in the forward cabin floor, filled with water. It did help I think, but not enough. So, I put the two other bladders onto the forward deck behind the anchor on each side and filled them with water. Unfortunately, they did not make any difference. That deck surface is way about the CG point, I suspect, so the extra weight is not helping, maybe even worsening the situation. These two water bladders pushed down the bow, so the regular 4-5 degree pitch is 2-3 degrees now.
I think the only feasible solution for improvement is extra weight at the very bottom of the keel, mounted on the I-beam. There is still a section, where extra metal bar could be mounted. I just don't know how much? The old survey I have shows 5000# ballast added somewhere below. Is it that extra metal bar on the I-beam? Is it the keel tanks? Is it the lead bricks in the bilge? It does not say. Maybe the combination of all these gives the 5000# ballast. So, it is very limited what more I can add below.
I thought about removing the lead bricks from the bilge area and using this lead to mold two heavy bars, which could be mounted on the I-beam. This would certainly move the weight to the lowest point, but I cannot tell, if this would make must difference?
Based on your calculations, removing the keel tanks does not make sense. As long they are full all the time, they add weight to the lower section.
The air tank at the stern has its own weight and practically it is at deck level, so it might not make much difference to have it, at all. It certainly does not help the sea handling of the boat, with following swells. Supposedly, it was added to help with ' squatting ' of the vessel. I think it helped with the squatting, but did not help with stability. By removing, it can improve sea handling, but I am not sure how would it effect buoyancy?
All these modifications were designed by a NA, after the boat was completed. The original hull plan was purchased from BR company, but BR was not involved in the process, at all. The hull was a motorsailer hull, 50-52' length and supposedly with much smaller upper structure and engine. Once they realized that it become top heavy, they hired a NA to design the modifications. The NA is not available anymore, so I cannot find any data on this story.
The boat is a wonderful live-aboard and an LRC capable vessel. Slow, but reliable CAT 3306, so it could sail far, as long the weather is not nasty. I am on the Columbia river now, so it is very comfortable to be here. We have some careless boaters generating wakes, but only during season. Sailing on the river is very nice, so I will just stay here. However, if the boat was more stabil, I would not mind to go out to the ocean sometimes and do some fishing. I still can, but it has to be when the weather is nice. Or, just buy the fish at the local store. Lol
I understand to get some reliable answers for possible solutions, I will need to find and work with a NA. If there is an affordable way to reduce the tenderness and make the boat more stabil, I will go for it in the near future. Nothing is urgent and it can take years, if needed. Secretly, I still hope that one day I will be able to go South and do some coastal cruising.
 
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