Which type anchor?

[Mako]

It has also become much more common to see a permanent bow eye installed slightly above water level, to which the snubber is attached.

I saw that quite often in Asia on fishing boats up to about 100ft. Seems awkward to use unless you leave the snubber always attached, but then it looked dumb to me.

So then you remove it when heading to sea and reattach later by paddling around in your dinghy? Hmmm

I wonder if one of those special mooring hook devices would work to feed the line through the eye?

 

[FF]

I wonder if one of those special mooring hook devices would work to feed the line through the eye?

The snubber is brought aboard at the bow , and removed before the windlass.

The simplest to use is the large old bronze snap shakles , I think Merriman called them size 4.

 

[rslifkin]

All chain with a snubber doesn't mean you ignore freeboard in the scope calculation. However, it means that your rode length is not the length of deployed chain. It's the length of chain up to where the snubber attaches plus the length of the snubber.

 

[O C Diver]

I saw that quite often in Asia on fishing boats up to about 100ft. Seems awkward to use unless you leave the snubber always attached, but then it looked dumb to me.

So then you remove it when heading to sea and reattach later by paddling around in your dinghy? Hmmm

I wonder if one of those special mooring hook devices would work to feed the line through the eye?

Most often I've seen the snubber left attached to the bow eye, slack removed, and secured at the anchoring station.

Ted

 

[SteveK]

Most often I've seen the snubber left attached to the bow eye, slack removed, and secured at the anchoring station.

Ted

Mind explaining this further, a picture. I use a bridle setup. Not getting "snubber left attached to bow eye"

 

[Mako]

Mind explaining this further, a picture. I use a bridle setup. Not getting "snubber left attached to bow eye"

There’s a bow eye on the boat just like a trailer boat. Down close to the waterline. You leave a nylon line attached to it, brought up to deck, then attach that to the chain as a snubber.

 

[SteveK]

There’s a bow eye on the boat just like a trailer boat. Down close to the waterline. You leave a nylon line attached to it, brought up to deck, then attach that to the chain as a snubber. View attachment 100505

Thanks, what I thought, was not sure as most boats are not so equipped.
It does lower the anchor point.

 

[jclays]

If you have an original Danforth or in my case the Westmarine Performance danforth clone. Open up the slot the allows the flukes to open and open the slot so that the angle of the flukes is 45 degrees. That is now your mud anchor. Mine holds great is soft mud. It digs in really well. Very happy with the modification. I believe that I lengthened the slot 3/4 of and inch to achieve the 45 degree angle. Didn't need to spend money on a Fortress

 

[Nomad Willy]

To use a 45 degree throat angle you need a very soft bottom. Quite likely the usual “mud” bottom is probably too hard. One should try the standard 32 degree fluke angle or throat angle .... that of course varies w each brand of anchor.
But the Danforth types are more sensitive to throat angle than other anchor types.
I’ve seen some old cheapie Danforth that are so worn that the throat angle is more that 45 degrees.
I found my picture of the Dan w an extremely open throat. This may have been done on purpose or it could be from long term wear.
I think Chris has an interesting take on this that could finally explain this anchor. She's thinking the guy did it to keep the anchor from hitting the bow of his boat. I would think most anybody would see that the function of the anchor would change. And most likely for the worst. Took the pic in Prince Rupert.
jclays I think this is over 45 degrees.

 

[O C Diver]

Thanks, what I thought, was not sure as most boats are not so equipped.
It does lower the anchor point.

I doubt any manufacturer offers it. This likely is a cruiser accessory installation. As many boaters either don't anchor out or don't do it enough too justify this accessory, it will never be common. However, they are commonly seen on serious cruisers that mostly anchor out.

Ted

 

[Nomad Willy]

The bow eye is usually a feature on a trailer boat, proper dinghy or skiff.
I think the bow eye reduces sailing on a trawler.

 

[Mako]

The bow eye makes sense in almost every way possible... except it looks stupid to me. Why would I want a big beautiful ocean trawler and then make it look like a little trailer boat???

 

[jclays]

To use a 45 degree throat angle you need a very soft bottom. Quite likely the usual “mud” bottom is probably too hard. One should try the standard 32 degree fluke angle or throat angle .... that of course varies w each brand of anchor.
But the Danforth types are more sensitive to throat angle than other anchor types.
I’ve seen some old cheapie Danforth that are so worn that the throat angle is more that 45 degrees.
I found my picture of the Dan w an extremely open throat. This may have been done on purpose or it could be from long term wear.
I think Chris has an interesting take on this that could finally explain this anchor. She's thinking the guy did it to keep the anchor from hitting the bow of his boat. I would think most anybody would see that the function of the anchor would change. And most likely for the worst. Took the pic in Prince Rupert.
jclays I think this is over 45 degrees.

Way more than 45 degrees. Modifying mine to 45 degrees works great and is strictly my mud anchor.

 

[Nomad Willy]

The bow eye makes sense in almost every way possible... except it looks stupid to me. Why would I want a big beautiful ocean trawler and then make it look like a little trailer boat???

You have a trawler for status?
A questionable motive.

 

[Art]

wo Wo, Whoa!

What's wrong with a damn sturdy "Bow Eye"?? Could be used for purposes and become a desired piece of hardware on large boats.

An important feature for new boat builders to include as a standard or offer as an extra. And, "Bow Eye" manufacturers could compete for making the best looking and strongest "Eye".


Matter of fact... there could be electric powered Bow Eyes that retreat behind closed SS doors and only protrude for use purposes when activated. Fancy enough "Eyes" could get real pricey! Keeping up with the Jones... or being the Jones!!

Heck, even drab old boats could have Eyes installed; e.g. those that were built before "Bow Eyes" became fashionable to showoff as pleasure boat equipment.

A whole new money making sector of the marine industry!



Edit: I can hardly believe this crazy post is my # 10,000! Now I feel official! - LOL

 

[Peter B]

wo Wo, Whoa!

What's wrong with a damn sturdy "Bow Eye"?? Could be used for purposes and become a desired piece of hardware on large boats.

An important feature for new boat builders to include as a standard or offer as an extra. And, "Bow Eye" manufacturers could compete for making the best looking and strongest "Eye".


Matter of fact... there could be electric powered Bow Eyes that retreat behind closed SS doors and only protrude for use purposes when activated. Fancy enough "Eyes" could get real pricey! Keeping up with the Jones... or being the Jones!!

Heck, even drab old boats could have Eyes installed; e.g. those that were built before "Bow Eyes" became fashionable to showoff as pleasure boat equipment.

A whole new money making sector of the marine industry!



Edit: I can hardly believe this crazy post is my # 10,000! Now I feel official! - LOL

You have now officially become fully 'Marin'ated..! Congratulations..!

 

[Art]

You have now officially become fully 'Marin'ated..! Congratulations..!

OMG - You can say "Marine"ated... but... please, not 'Marin'ated... !! LOL

PS: I live in Marin County... from which he got his name. World is soooo small... as Coronavirus is dastardly showing us all.

All TF people please stay healthy!

 

[Peter B]

OMG - You can say "Marine"ated... but... please, not 'Marin'ated... !! LOL

PS: I live in Marin County... from which he got his name. World is soooo small... as Coronavirus is dastardly showing us all. All TF people please stay healthy!

He was also the first to hit 10,000 posts on TF, if memory serves...hence the accolade.

 

[Art]

He was also the first to hit 10,000 posts on TF, if memory serves...hence the accolade.

Thanks for mentioning an honorary position, for me. I recall that for some time before Marin hit # 10,000 he mentioned he would leave TF at that number of posts. Seems he did and stayed off for a while. Then occasionally, after some more time, he would return posting a few quips. Haven't noticed a TF post from him for couple years, or so.

Although I know he had a bit of a following on TF... I was not in that group. Marin and I did not see eye to eye on many items and matters. Bit of a rub twixt us would often happen that lasted for several alternating posts on a thread.

Last I recall he said at # 10k post he would switch from TF to The Grand Banks forum. I signed into GB forum a while latter to see if he might be handling himself with more aplomb. Never got chance to look into that forum; because immediately after signing in it gave my computer one heck of a virus. My IT guy stripped that off. Soon after that I read somewhere that GB forum had been infected at the time of my sign-up. I never tried again.

Wish Marin good years and hope he can [has] become more happy, within.

 

[FF]

A bow eye is a great idea, just be sure any lines attached are too short to reach the prop .


"Stuff Happens"

 

[Art]

A bow eye is a great idea, just be sure any lines attached are too short to reach the prop .


"Stuff Happens"

That's a fact!!

 

[Ruffryder]

Danforth or Fortress will work best in mud

 

[Art]

Danforth or Fortress will work best in mud

Correct!

 

[HypnoBob]

The adjustable arm SuperMax set at 3:1 has a problem in mud, it won't stop digging. After Hurricane Ida, we were a couple feet down in the suction muck in Foscue Creek Alabama (Demopolis). Took us over 2 hours to get it up on our 49 foot DeFever CPMY. Since then, I always used a trip line with hippity hop buoy.

Our "go to" anchor today is the Mantus - OMG . . . sets within its own length and digs enough to bury itself. The weighted tip, like the Rocna, makes the difference. It comes in a flat crate and you assemble it.

 

[Nomad Willy]

Lots of others w weighted tips but only one is designed not to PU excessive amounts of mud .... Excel.

 

[Peter B]

Lots of others w weighted tips but only one is designed not to PU excessive amounts of mud .... Excel.

Eric, I think I can guarantee you'll be on Rex Francis' Christmas card list this year.

 

[David Burgess]

Who runs like that? No offense but I have a similar vessel size 42’ GB. and run 380’ of chain. Having a lot of commercial offshore experience on Canada’s West coast and all down the Cali. Coast. I know how important a good anchor is. But the anchor is only part of the equation it’s more about the chain. It gives huge drag Which assists the anchor to stay where you intended it be in the first place. On my commercial vessels we obviously always ran chain therefore would recommend you look at more chain as well. It holds the anchor down, which takes more than thirty feet in any kind of blow. Hopefully your chain locker. Can accommodate at least 150’ of 3/8”.

 

[Nomad Willy]

David,
Bottom line is the anchor holds the boat. And the chain connects the anchor to the boat. No chain is needed once the anchor is set. But setting most anchors will go a lot smoother w “a few feet of chain” according to a book known as the boaters bible. Chapmans book on boat handling. I interpret a few feet of chain to be 10 to 20’ depending on boat size.
Chain catenary will aid anchor holding power some but the anchor is doing almost all the work. If you’re going to add 10lbs or 100lbs to your ground tackle put almost all of it in the anchor.
I was born in Juneau and have seen thousands of fish boats w oversized anchor rodes. And I’ve anchored trawlers for years w fairly light gear and my record is 100% successful. But I haven’t been in more than two 50 knot SE Alaska gales.

 

[rslifkin]

Eric has it. Chain is mostly to help set. And the primary reason for having lots of chain is to enable anchoring in places with rocks and other things on the bottom, as it's a lot harder to chafe through chain than line.

 

[Nomad Willy]

Always like it when someone agrees w me but David will soon find out there are many here that think all chain is the only way to go. It certainly is the easiest and most convenient. But I have yet to see an all chain rode hooked to a small anchor.

That’s why the fishermen use such heavy gear. When they “maintain” their boat the work mostly on fishing gear ... not the boat. And when the’ve spent a really hard day chasing fish and come into an anchorage (usually well known) and find a bunch of yachty boats on the bay swing’in on long rodes it’s the last thing they wanna see. They just want to go straight to their known spot, drop the anchor and chain with the day’s last light. They don’t wanna look around for a new place to anchor among the cruisers and sailboaters knowing their required swinging room. They want dearly just to be able to fish and make money as much as they can. Spending time anchoring dosn’t cut it. And after they eat something they wanna sleep. Not listen to generators, loud voices and music.

So they have very heavy ground tackle that takes a minimum amount of time w a high degree of security and dependability.