Hendo's Randall 35 Cray Boat complete rebuild, Perth, Western Australia

[Simi 60]

Before you jump off the deep end with that kiwigrip look at what it is and look to alternatives.

Kiwigrip is a water-based acrylic polymer
So is Emerclad
So is Wattyl Granosite
Application is identical

I have used both of these (Emerclad and Granosite) on boats before as nonskid and I reckon they'll cost a lot less than a "Marine" product.
The paint wont know its on a boat.

Pro Tip.
Make sure for any of these products you do it on a day with no chance of rain or dew at night.

 

[Hendo78]

Matt me mate - I visited Kiwigrip site. Simple as can be.
Following is video on it. Do you know how well (how long) it lasts on often walked deck areas after careful installation? - Cheers! - Art

Mate I had it on my last boat for 4years. I thought I'd "pretty" her up for sale and redid some of the Kiwigrip and the first section I did didn't look any different to the coatings I did originally so I left the rest.

Hope that helps


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[Hendo78]

I just used KiwiGrip, works a treat.

Yeah nice mate. I'll be going grey in mine. How are you finding the product?


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[Hendo78]

Before you jump off the deep end with that kiwigrip look at what it is and look to alternatives.

Kiwigrip is a water-based acrylic polymer
So is Emerclad
So is Wattyl Granosite
Application is identical

I have used both of these (Emerclad and Granosite) on boats before as nonskid and I reckon they'll cost a lot less than a "Marine" product.
The paint wont know its on a boat.

Pro Tip.
Make sure for any of these products you do it on a day with no chance of rain or dew at night.

Thanks mate. I'll have a look those two products you mentioned


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[Art]

Mate I had it on my last boat for 4years. I thought I'd "pretty" her up for sale and redid some of the Kiwigrip and the first section I did didn't look any different to the coatings I did originally so I left the rest.

Hope that helps


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Thanks for input. During the 4 years did you put much use, i.e. wear and tear on it?

 

[Tidahapah]

As an aside I used Emerclad on my decks for years and was pretty happy with the product but in the end i wanted an epoxy finish. So after much paint stripper and sanding I had the deck back to bare glass. A few more days sanding and then on with the Interdeck, that was about 6 or 7 years ago and now couldn't be happier that I made the change.

 

[BruceK]

Emerclad is used in buildings for waterproofing, it should be readily available.

 

[Hendo78]

Bit of a milestone day today. Two windows were dry fitted. Pretty excited. That marks the completions of that area so the scaffold went down a couple of levels so I can continue working on the portholes and rubbing strake flare. Feeling really pumped.







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[Hendo78]

Thanks for input. During the 4 years did you put much use, i.e. wear and tear on it?

Yeah a fair bit mate.


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[Hendo78]

As an aside I used Emerclad on my decks for years and was pretty happy with the product but in the end i wanted an epoxy finish. So after much paint stripper and sanding I had the deck back to bare glass. A few more days sanding and then on with the Interdeck, that was about 6 or 7 years ago and now couldn't be happier that I made the change.

Why the switch Benn?



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[Hendo78]

Emerclad is used in buildings for waterproofing, it should be readily available.

Wonder if it's UV stable?

Might have to look in to it as well as the interdeck product


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[swampu]

Man those windows look bad ass! I'll be taking notes on the nonskid part of your thread for when I get to that point. I love those windows. Put them all in and drink some beer, for a few days!!! Good job.

 

[Art]

Windows - Important benchmark! Congrats!!


BTW - After visiting Kiwigrip and Interdeck application videos:


Kiwigrip seems hands down simple to prep for and to put on in comparison to Interdeck. Question is: How long and how well do each last??


Seems if Kiwigrip ever needs recoating over the years it would be rather simple. However, seems if Interdeck needs recoating the prep and application task would be daunting, again.

 

[Hendo78]

Man those windows look bad ass! I'll be taking notes on the nonskid part of your thread for when I get to that point. I love those windows. Put them all in and drink some beer, for a few days!!! Good job.

Oh but I bow to your superiority when it comes to Windows mate. You're the window zen master.


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[Hendo78]

Windows - Important benchmark! Congrats!!

Can't wait to get the side ones on. They will look mint won't be for another 3months or so yet I reckon.


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[Simi 60]

Wonder if it's UV stable?

Might have to look in to it as well as the interdeck product


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Used on outside of buildings so yes
I had no issues with several years of use in the QLD sun with emerclad
The bumps wore down before any sun degradation showed

 

[Hendo78]

Ah ok cool. Is that "ship" as your pic yours? I'd love to see some pics of it mate.


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[Simi 60]

Is that "ship" as your pic yours? I'd love to see some pics of it mate.

Sort of.
Contract is signed and accepted subject to bottom survey in a couple of weeks.
More details when the deal is done.

 

[Tidahapah]

Hendo,
My biggest problem with the Emerclad was keeping it clean and getting it clean and I was using the clear top coat that was supposed to assist in this aspect.
Don't have any cleaning problems with the epoxy coating and it lasts longer, possibly a little harder on the feet that the softer water based Emerclad but doesn't cause any worry and I would not go back.

 

[BruceK]

Wonder if it's UV stable?

Might have to look in to it as well as the interdeck product


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Emerclad website says it is (http://www.parchem.com.au/public/pdfs/data-sheets/Emer-Clad-Architectural-TDS.pdf), but as the saying goes "they would say that, wouldn`t they". You`d have to value in Benn`s experience of using it and epoxy. Maybe ease of application is a factor.

 

[Hendo78]

Hendo,
My biggest problem with the Emerclad was keeping it clean and getting it clean and I was using the clear top coat that was supposed to assist in this aspect.
Don't have any cleaning problems with the epoxy coating and it lasts longer, possibly a little harder on the feet that the softer water based Emerclad but doesn't cause any worry and I would not go back.

Thanks Benn. Appreciate your feedback. I did notice with the Kiwigrip that it got dirty quick but I thought that was down to it being white. Maybe there was more to it. I'll start to look into interdeck. Thanks mate!


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[Hendo78]

Sort of.

Contract is signed and accepted subject to bottom survey in a couple of weeks.

More details when the deal is done.

Oooooo can't wait to hear about it


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[Hendo78]

Emerclad website says it is (http://www.parchem.com.au/public/pdfs/data-sheets/Emer-Clad-Architectural-TDS.pdf), but as the saying goes "they would say that, wouldn`t they". You`d have to value in Benn`s experience of using it and epoxy. Maybe ease of application is a factor.

Thanks Bruce


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[Simi 60]

. I'll start to look into interdeck. Thanks mate!

Its your money, your call but I would advise not.

Having been involved in the painting of dozens of boats over the years, and owning several as well, 2 pac urethane (not poly) is a far better choice in my opinion.
Especially if the tins have pictures of earth moving equipment or oil rigs on the can NOT shiny superyachts.
Far easier to repair and blend in as well and if it starts to dull (topsides), can be buffed which I am pretty sure you cant do with polyU.

 

[Hendo78]

Its your money, your call but I would advise not.



Having been involved in the painting of dozens of boats over the years, and owning several as well, 2 pac urethane (not poly) is a far better choice in my opinion.

Especially if the tins have pictures of earth moving equipment or oil rigs on the can NOT shiny superyachts.

Far easier to repair and blend in as well and if it starts to dull (topsides), can be buffed which I am pretty sure you cant do with polyU.

Ok; what's your suggestions mate? What product have you found to be best?


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[Wayfarer]

Happy Window Day!!!

 

[Simi 60]

I have found no best, but I do know marine branded polyurethane and beads would be at the bottom of my list,

I have some deck repairs to do on this thing I am getting.
If I was building the deck from scratch and using something that didn't rot or rust or wasnt going to get damaged I'd use urethane and sand.

As it'll be repaired in ply and glassed like it currently is and there be heavy anchors, chains etc about so it will get damaged I'll probably use emerclad as its easy to patch up when the inevitable damage and repair is done.

Is it the best nonskid ever, No.
But its cheap and easy and it works.

Urethane paint and beads may be an option, its done in it now and its not that harder to repair but the beads on a large deck are expensive and you'll use plenty of them and they dont work as well as they should, not like free sand.
But then the sand is a b1tch to grind off if and when you need to repair it.

 

[Hendo78]

I have found no best, but I do know marine branded polyurethane and beads would be at the bottom of my list,

I have some deck repairs to do on this thing I am getting.
If I was building the deck from scratch and using something that didn't rot or rust or wasnt going to get damaged I'd use urethane and sand.

As it'll be repaired in ply and glassed like it currently is and there be heavy anchors, chains etc about so it will get damaged I'll probably use emerclad as its easy to patch up when the inevitable damage and repair is done.

Is it the best nonskid ever, No.
But its cheap and easy and it works.

Urethane paint and beads may be an option, its done in it now and its not that harder to repair but the beads on a large deck are expensive and you'll use plenty of them and they dont work as well as they should, not like free sand.
But then the sand is a b1tch to grind off if and when you need to repair it.

Hmm not an easy decision. Why is polyuethane at the bottom of the list? Thanks for your input mate, I appreciate your point of view. Just trying to see the arguments for al angles


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[Hendo78]

Thanks Benn. Appreciate your feedback. I did notice with the Kiwigrip that it got dirty quick but I thought that was down to it being white. Maybe there was more to it. I'll start to look into interdeck. Thanks mate!


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Spoke to the admiral and she said that it wasn't the Kiwigrip that was always dirty it was these stick on nonslip pads I bought. Maybe the emerclad is hard to keep clean because it's not designed for foot traffic?


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[psneeld]

Been using Interdeck for years, very easy to touch up...think it is a one part poly. Nonskid already in the paint and it isn't as thick as most nonskid so you get better coverage.

It is less aggressive in height, but for the average deck it can be done quickly, so if a little worn or nicked in an area....no big deal. It doesn't hide defects as well...but is easy to see the defect and fix for the next coat or painting time.

Used white the first time and always looked a little dirty. Switched to gray and couldn't be happier though does get hotter on the feet. Next painting may add white to lighten up the gray a tad.

Now if I had a larger expanse of deck to do, i may pkay around with other coatings.

We used enamel and sand on the commercial fleet I work for and I don't think it is any great shakes on many levels.